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Justin Trudeau Vows Two-Year Ban on Foreign Home Buyers in Canada Election

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Re: Justin Trudeau Vows Two-Year Ban on Foreign Home Buyers in Canada Election

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Foreign ownership of houses comprises only small % of the housing market [1]. The measures promised (but all political parties, not just Trudeau) have been applied in New Zealand and their housing market still remain white hot. The root cause is low supply of houses in Canada, the red tape around land / property development keeps construction of housing slow and costly. [1] https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-626-…

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Re: Justin Trudeau Vows Two-Year Ban on Foreign Home Buyers in Canada Election

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has been an issue in the Canadian market for 20 years now and has had a material impact on housing prices in certain big markets.

I understand that this is the narrative, but show me what markets specifically. Even if ownership is 10%. That means 90% of homes that are bought and sold are NOT to foreigners. The fact is that inflation has eroded away the value of $$ and houses that should cost $50,000 now cost $700k.

> The fact is that inflation has eroded away the value of $$ and houses that should cost $50,000 now cost $700k.

There's a particular problem with that hypothesis:

> Over the past 5 years, single-family home prices are up 150% in London-St. Thomas [Ontario], but down in Regina. They've barely budged in Edmonton. Monetary policy provides no explanation for that phenomenon.

* https://twitter.com/MikePMoffatt/status/1430892821968392198

Meanwhile, when you increase the population, but do not have a corresponding increase in supply:

* https://mikepmoffatt.medium.com/ontarians-on-the-move-2021-e...

There's no need to get into hard money, gold bug tropes about asset prices when supply and demand effects can explain regional price rises.

Re: Justin Trudeau Vows Two-Year Ban on Foreign Home Buyers in Canada Election

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Foreign ownership of houses comprises only small % of the housing market [1]. The measures promised (but all political parties, not just Trudeau) have been applied in New Zealand and their housing market still remain white hot. The root cause is low supply of houses in Canada, the red tape around land / property development keeps construction of housing slow and costly. [1] https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-626-…

> Foreign ownership of houses comprises only small % of the housing mark

So a key part of the picture this kind of argument misses out is that price appreciation is primarily an effect of *marginal* demand and supply, not inventory. To put it another way as long as there's even a little bit of demand exceeding supply, prices will go up till sufficient marginal buyers drop out of the market. A very small imbalance is enough to push prices up. To begin appreciating how and why this happens, you may want to analyze a granular item level time series dataset of a market or auction (I once looked deep into a course auction at my alma matter) - it's quite eye opening.

In this case, there's presumably fairly price in-elastic foreign buyers and/or corporate structures like REITs buying into the residential buying market. Note that at any time, the entire market is never at play as most families wouldn't want to sell and move or change their lives - personal risk plays a factor - if we sell now & prices keep rising, how will we afford a house in the future etc. So prices keep rising.

Note that interestingly housing market is asymmetric in the sense that prices don't fall quite as much when marginal supply out-strips demand. Potential sellers who occupy their own houses generally prefer to stay in their homes and simply go out of the market. That's why prices drop in a big way only during major economic crises when people lose jobs, are unable to fund their mortgage and are forced to sell or let the banks foreclose.

In terms of fixes, creating additional supply by easing restrictions will definitely help. An additional way would be to disallow or disincentivize non-resident ownership. Eg. By banning price inelastic absentee overseas owners and investment companies from residential properties, taxing second and third home purchases by individuals with high duties etc but the key thing is to codify regulation at the "intent" level rather than at execution level so parties exploiting loopholes can be prosecuted and enforcing them.

Re: Justin Trudeau Vows Two-Year Ban on Foreign Home Buyers in Canada Election

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any data to back that up ("significant effects on prices")? Otherwise it may just be news-hyped outrage mongering.

Don’t need data to prove basic economics at this point. The question left is, does it happen with enough frequency to be a major factor? I’m not that familiar with the market in Vancouver, however they did pass a law regarding vacancy I believe. Perhaps a local could chime in on efficacy.

As an economist, I would strongly object to the idea that data isn't needed to prove points. I've heard about the particular case of the Vancouver market being popular with overseas buyers, but that doesn't absolve anyone from quantifying it.

The Vancouver specific reaction has been the "Empty Homes Tax" https://vancouver.ca/home-property-development/empty-homes-t...

And according to Vancouver again, while the tax did cause a drop in empty houses declared, in every neighborhood except West End they represent less than 1% of total housing supply )https://vancouver.ca/news-calendar/more-vancouver-homes-occu...) and in most cases less than 0.5% of housing supply.

So while this may be an issue, it doesn't appear to be the issue and it seems that the basic economics here suggest that the issue in Vancouver was not limited to foreign investment. It would appear that in the Vancouver case, this ban on foreign homes would in fact be ineffective since it represents such a small share of housing.

Re: Justin Trudeau Vows Two-Year Ban on Foreign Home Buyers in Canada Election

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not entirely. In NZ, people really favor single family homes near or in big cities. That just doesn't scale because of finite land. Nobody wants to settle for a duplex or worse, an apartment. Perhaps eventually prices for those high density homes will be stable and single-family-home owners will be super rich.

Well yes, there’s always been more desirable properties. Location, location, location, and now especially? SFH.

I guess I wasn't clear that the popular outrage over prices is about prices of SFHs. People aren't accepting the possibility of having to buy an apartment like people in big cities all over the world do. Expectations haven't caught up with demographic changes.

Re: Justin Trudeau Vows Two-Year Ban on Foreign Home Buyers in Canada Election

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that’s the case, with enough housing supply prices would be stable. Both can’t be true however.

Not entirely. In NZ, people really favor single family homes near or in big cities. That just doesn't scale because of finite land. Nobody wants to settle for a duplex or worse, an apartment. Perhaps eventually prices for those high density homes will be stable and single-family-home owners will be super rich.

I don't know if the "most people want a single family home" thing is entirely accurate. Hobsonville Point is mostly terraced housing, duplexes and apartments and prices there are well above the surrounding mostly-single-family-home suburbs. I realize there are other reasons for high prices, like local schools, age of housing, etc, but I think it shows that the demand for medium density is there. It's just no one has been building any medium density housing in the last 50 years, and until the recent changes to the Auckland Unitary Plan, it was very difficult to re-develop existing single-family lots.

Re: Justin Trudeau Vows Two-Year Ban on Foreign Home Buyers in Canada Election

#58

Foreign ownership of houses comprises only small % of the housing market [1]. The measures promised (but all political parties, not just Trudeau) have been applied in New Zealand and their housing market still remain white hot. The root cause is low supply of houses in Canada, the red tape around land / property development keeps construction of housing slow and costly. [1] https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-626-…

Regarding NZ. This tweet graphs NZ prices with the foreign ownership rule change.

https://twitter.com/Birdyword/status/1435984024619601925

Re: Justin Trudeau Vows Two-Year Ban on Foreign Home Buyers in Canada Election

#59

Foreign ownership of houses comprises only small % of the housing market [1]. The measures promised (but all political parties, not just Trudeau) have been applied in New Zealand and their housing market still remain white hot. The root cause is low supply of houses in Canada, the red tape around land / property development keeps construction of housing slow and costly. [1] https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-626-…

The housing discourse has long since reached the point of satire: Canada will try absolutely anything to lower the price of housing except build more housing: https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/i-will-do-anything-to-en... . Meanwhile, https://www.worksinprogress.co/issue/the-housing-theory-of-e...

It's even worse than that. Developers are building huge skyscrapers full of housing. Problem is, it's all luxury housing, well above average prices for comparable square footage. Then, people who don't want that luxury will end up stretching their budgets to buy it due to a lack of options in their price range. Developers have huge influence on local politics, so I don't really see a way to escape this.

Re: Justin Trudeau Vows Two-Year Ban on Foreign Home Buyers in Canada Election

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Immigration is likely a much larger driver of housing price increases than foreign ownership. Canada admits 300k immigrants per year, 2/3 of those are economic/skilled entrants who will be looking to buy property 3-5 years after arrival.

yelp is shifting their engineering office to canada for the cheap talent and friendly immigration laws.

wasn't everyone moving to work from home and remotely, why would they need an office?
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