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France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal

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Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal

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Well... I feel we got screwed twice !

Does a NATO county selling weapons to a NATO strategic adversary not seem mildly questionable on its own?

The Euro strategy is to make themselves vassals of Russia to appear less threatening. Look at how Germany walked away from nuclear and made themselves dependent on Russian natural gas.

Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal

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I wonder what French think now about their cancelling of the Mistral deal with Russia [0] under American pressure [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral-class_amphibious_assau... [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-russia-mistral-idU...

Same as with everything involving US foreign policy in the last 20 years.

"Never go into a well with american rope."

Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal

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It looks like the vaunted experience of Biden and his team has not translated into any sort of deft policymaking, particularly in foreign policy. The messy pullout out of Afghanistan, followed by this scuttling of the deal in progress between Australia and France have reinforced the notion that Uncle Sam can not be relied upon, even by his closest allies. Pretty surefire way of helping fence-sitters become client sta…

It's only worth comparing these decisions with the credible alternatives. In Afghanistan, America had to choose between a messy pullout or a swift escalation with the Taliban. Biden himself really was left with a matter of months to execute on either, and it was never going to be escalation. It could be the case for one reason or another, but I find it pretty hard to believe that President Trump/Romney/Obama/Clinton/…

>America had to choose between a messy pullout or a swift escalation with the Taliban.

The Taliban offered to let the US control Kabul for the evacuation[0], it was the admin that refused. Earlier, the US extended the deadline itself from 1/5 to 31/8 - without an escalation (and without making any use of the extra time it appears).

[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/28/taliban-take...

Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal

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I hope it slows down. I never understood why web devs feel the need to reinvent their entire stack annually

I think people were genuinely looking for good patterns, and still are in a way.

I think that requires replacing javascript itself

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We are very protective of our territorial waters, not all submarine usage is warfare.

Lol, no one is using nuclear subs to defend territorial waters. Their job is to help the US run a blockade against China and it's trading partners, nothing else.

Specifically in this case it's to build submarines which can chase after submarines which are trying to break us blockade. If china invades Taiwan, the obvious next step is to blockade Chinese oil imports, which cripples upwards of 60-80% of Chinese domestic food production, but is justifiable on "military grounds" and definitely prevents china from creating supply lines outside of the first island chain.

There is no sensible equivalent retaliatory action on the part of china after such a blockade, as the us is currently food and energy self-sufficient.

Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal

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It isn’t just that Australia cancelled the deal and made a new one with someone else. It is they kept their plans secret from France instead of letting them know about it and giving them a chance to make a counter-offer or save some face. France has nuclear submarines too, so maybe France could still have played some role? Maybe AUKUS could have been AFUKUS? They didn’t allow France into the negotiation room, and the…

French nuclear submarines require refuelling part way through their operating life, US and UK ones don't. Australia doesn't have or want to develop the domestic nuclear power industry to be able to do this itself.

Is that real notivation? I am sure they could be refueled in France once in a decade if needes

Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal

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I think people were genuinely looking for good patterns, and still are in a way.

I think that requires replacing javascript itself

That's what people are trying to do with WASM. There's a project currently on the front page or not far about a frontend framework in Rust, and it's one of many. There's also TypeScript, and other alternatives. User interfaces are far from being a solved problem.

Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal

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I wonder what French think now about their cancelling of the Mistral deal with Russia [0] under American pressure [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral-class_amphibious_assau... [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-russia-mistral-idU...

A complete and shameful shit show. This wasn't even a warship. Yes, it made the French look like fools and untrustworthy and they had to dump that ship to another nation for a huge discount. A complete failure.

Merci Hollande! /s

USA is nobody"s ally when it's about business. USA only has interests.

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