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France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal

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Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal

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This is getting pretty ridiculous. Almost like a child throwing a tantrum. How does France expect to be taken seriously if it acts like a petulant child?

The contracts were signed and it is perceived as a betrayal from the US which French thought were their allies. The ministry of defense of France called it a “stab in the back”.

Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal

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Is it just me or are there more off-topic political posts on HN lately?

Politics is a human system. Systems analysis and nudging systems is of interest to hackers, no?

Humans are the infrastructure on top of which technology runs.

Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal

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Is it just me or are there more off-topic political posts on HN lately?

It seems that the user base here has been deteriorating and the focus has been drifting away from the SV startup scene. I've also been noticing a growing political atmosphere that is in opposition to SV norms. A sign of the times probably, but I also suspect that HN's usefulness to Ycombinator is fading.

Massive technical military contracts seems extremely SV to me? Isn't that where it all started?

Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal

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It looks like the vaunted experience of Biden and his team has not translated into any sort of deft policymaking, particularly in foreign policy. The messy pullout out of Afghanistan, followed by this scuttling of the deal in progress between Australia and France have reinforced the notion that Uncle Sam can not be relied upon, even by his closest allies. Pretty surefire way of helping fence-sitters become client sta…

Derna forever! EDIT: Sorry for the low-effort riffing. I was being wry. The U.S. won a decisive victory at Derna and, in the aftermath of the diplomatic resolution resulting from that victory, promptly abandoned our allies, without pay, in enemy territory. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Derna_(1805) It is my opinion that we are unreliable, and it's deeply painful when diplomats squander gains made at the c…

Huh? What does this mean?

Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal

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It is super laughable because the nuclear powered version that they are building for themselves was a fixed bid contract for something like 10 billion for 8 subs.. and the Australian contract keeps going up and up something like 35 billion for ten subs. The diesel sub for Australia is based on the nuclear sub that they signed the fixed bid contract for. Anybody with half brain can tell they are making up the lost of…

French contract took 4 years to be negotiated, the US one less than 6 months, in total secret with no public check… expect big surprises at the end, US weapons program are not known to never overrun their costs

Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal

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It looks like the vaunted experience of Biden and his team has not translated into any sort of deft policymaking, particularly in foreign policy. The messy pullout out of Afghanistan, followed by this scuttling of the deal in progress between Australia and France have reinforced the notion that Uncle Sam can not be relied upon, even by his closest allies. Pretty surefire way of helping fence-sitters become client sta…

You do know the messy pull out of Afghanistan was a peace deal agreed to by prior governments (without the consent of the Aphgani government no less) could they have done better, absolutely but the way you are framing it is hardly unbiased.

As for countries deciding to not rely upon America, that has long been a desire, but the previous administration drove it home like a stake through the heart. Having lived outside of the US for most of the last five years I can’t fully express how far the US has fallen in the eyes of the world, and just how much of a joke we are these days.

Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal

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I wonder what French think now about their cancelling of the Mistral deal with Russia [0] under American pressure [1].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral-class_amphibious_assau...

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-russia-mistral-idU...

Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal

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Is it just me or are there more off-topic political posts on HN lately?

It seems that the user base here has been deteriorating and the focus has been drifting away from the SV startup scene. I've also been noticing a growing political atmosphere that is in opposition to SV norms. A sign of the times probably, but I also suspect that HN's usefulness to Ycombinator is fading.

> Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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