France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal
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Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal
#2This is getting pretty ridiculous. Almost like a child throwing a tantrum. How does France expect to be taken seriously if it acts like a petulant child?
Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal
#3It seems like a bit of an overreaction. Is shipbuilding that important to France?
Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal
#4This is getting pretty ridiculous. Almost like a child throwing a tantrum. How does France expect to be taken seriously if it acts like a petulant child?
France always reacts like this
Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal
#5This is getting pretty ridiculous. Almost like a child throwing a tantrum. How does France expect to be taken seriously if it acts like a petulant child?
Well I mean Australia and the USA could not go behind Frances back to strike a deal which apparently causes Australia to back out of a deal it has with France?
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#6It seems like a bit of an overreaction. Is shipbuilding that important to France?
That's part of it, but it's mostly a larger political play around France and Europe being less dependent on the USA as a partner around the world. France has been pushing on 'strategic autonomy' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_autonomy) for quite some time now, and this played right into their hands as an opportunity of the USA not being reliable.
Whether or not it's true, or if this will work, will take a lot more time to figure out.
Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal
#7Is it just me or are there more off-topic political posts on HN lately?
Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal
#8It seems like a bit of an overreaction. Is shipbuilding that important to France?
Also genuinely curious. With no judgment, I want to understand the French perspective here.
And can anyone weigh in on whether these deals getting scuttled is so rare. Esp for advanced military equipment, I’d think that it’s quite common.
Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal
#9It seems like a bit of an overreaction. Is shipbuilding that important to France?
€50B over 50 years, dubbed "the contract of the century".
Re: France Recalls Its Ambassadors to the U.S. and Australia over a Submarine Deal
#10It seems like a bit of an overreaction. Is shipbuilding that important to France?
It's always about domestic politics. Macron doesn't want to look weak in the leadup to the 2022 election, and it's not hard to see why France would be upset here.