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Mark Cuban: If you want to see more jobs created -- change patent laws

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Re: Mark Cuban: If you want to see more jobs created -- change patent laws

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This is more of a thought on Google's awkward situation rather than patent laws in general: What if the DOJ scrutiny around the Nortel patent bundle went well for Google and Apple/Microsoft etc were forced to put essential patents in a pool and license it to other vendors under fair conditions? As Google's CLO said, it still does not give Google the weapon to negate Oracle or Microsoft or Apple's IP lawsuits. What if…

It already went well ..according to Google Lawyers that has already happen with MS..namely they were forced by DOJ to divest of those patents bought through that deal and the Patent holding company was forced to license to open source at reasonable rates

That were Novell patents, which were very entangled in the whole SCO/IBM/Novell/Red Hat/Microsoft legal soap opera regarding Linux/Unix licensing. Basically Microsoft was caught hand in the cookie jar, hence DOJ's interest.

Re: Mark Cuban: If you want to see more jobs created -- change patent laws

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good points raised by cuban, but i have to say, he's offered zero solutions to the problem, just gripes. i don't think anyone's come up with a good solution yet for patents probably because there are an over-abundance of them (millions, possibly billions pending), you can't just do away with the system suddenly, hell i think i have 1 or 2 myself.

but let's just play devil's advocate and say that the government refused to grant anymore new patents and grandfathered all the current patents, you would still need something else to take its place, perhaps say the latest trend of open source licenses, though some of the issues with some of these licenses seem to be on similar bad footing of corporate abuse.

i don't have any solutions myself, but i think china's ip laws are relatively lax and a good example of what would happen if there weren't patents or at least very poor enforcement. basically you'd have a bunch of companies competing against each other possibly reverse engineering or out right stealing things, at the end of the day, you, the consumer, would possibly have a better set of choices and these companies would be innovating to compete, not necessarily strangling you financially with patent litigations.

my major gripe with patents are the same as cuban, these big corporations are using it as a new line of business/revenue stream and are throwing their weight around with the protection of another big corporation (a.k.a. the government), this a major loophole in the system, what was meant to quite possibly protect the little guy, the small company, has now backfired and become a major liability. e.g. nobody in their right mind would file a suit against ibm, they would surely find some infringement in their arsenal of patents and make you hurt for a good long time. you're suing ibm for using your algorithm, they'd turn right around and sue you for something along the lines of using the bathroom on an airplane (http://news.cnet.com/2100-1017-961803.html).

the problem is truly systemic. when governments/companies/countries become too powerful, it really becomes easy to abuse/manipulate the system, absolute power corrupts absolutely. that's why there needs to be more refinement of government to handle these things, to make sure that the system works.

Re: Mark Cuban: If you want to see more jobs created -- change patent laws

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I could never find Coca-cola again.

A lot of people wouldn't like Coca-cola scammers. They'd want the real Coca-cola. And these people would be willing to pay a small premium for it. So stores would have an incentive to sell the real thing. A lot of stores would probably refuse the sell the scam Coca-cola. But a lot of other people wouldn't care, and they'd happily drink the scam Coca-cola which tastes just like the real thing, but is made by somebody…

I think coca-cola is a trade secret, not a patent

Re: Mark Cuban: If you want to see more jobs created -- change patent laws

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There is if you want to keep the copyright. If someone copies your copyright and you knowingly do nothing about it, you'll lose it.

You're mistaken. There is no certainly such "abandonment" clause under international copyright law (which binds most countries), and I doubt any individual country as such a law either. There are countless examples where copyright has only been defended in specific cases long after the copyright infringement was known of. Notable examples include the song "Happy Birthday" and the Amiga Kickstart ROM. Feel free to pro…

Hmmm, thought I was right, but I suppose not - thanks. What about trademarks - you have to defend those, right?

Re: Mark Cuban: If you want to see more jobs created -- change patent laws

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All right, so we all agree that software patents are a problem. So what do we do? A). Abolish software patents. Existing software patents, or parts of patents that govern software, are nullified. B). ??? Personally, I'm fine with A, but I would like to hear a really good B. Anyone? Bonus points: Provide a list of ~5 software patents that are "good" software patents. Something were granting the patent led to innovatio…

B) Remove all intellectual property laws period. Not just patents for software, but all patents, and copyrights, and trademarks. You might think at first this would lead to chaos. I don't think it would. I think it would make the world radically better. I can show this would work if you're curious.

I think a lot of trademark law could just as well be replaced with existing law against fraud and defamation. The fake Apple stores in China which sell inferior knock-offs are defrauding their customers who bought thinking they were buying a quality Apple product but instead ended up with a product merely masquerading as an Apple product. So the customers would have a fraud action against the fake Apple stores. Also, by selling inferior "Apple" products, the fake stores are harming Apple's reputation. This would give Apple a defamation case against the stores.

Such a scheme would have the added benefit of encouraging quality products to the point that companies producing poor-quality goods could lose their trademarks to quality companies. So if Dell began producing their own line of "Apple" branded computers, Apple could only sue Dell if the Dell "Apple" computers were causing harm to Apple's reputation. If Dell's computers were actually better that Apple's computers, Apple would have no cause of action. In time, if Dell could show that Apple's computers were actually causing harm to Dell's reputation, Dell could force Apple to pay damages for using the Apple mark.

Re: Mark Cuban: If you want to see more jobs created -- change patent laws

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It sounds like a good idea, I'm not sure, however, how it would work across international borders. A physical property is clearly somewhere and that's where it gets taxed. What would stop people from "moving" their intellectual properties to "IP tax heavens"?

The ability to sue. No tax to America, no suit in American court

Exactly. Also, no customs & border enforcement against trademark / copyright / whatever infringement. Louis Vitton didn't pay IP tax ? They don't get to stop knock offs from being imported.

Align value with cost - that's the way to properly allocate resources.

Re: Mark Cuban: If you want to see more jobs created -- change patent laws

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It sounds like a good idea, I'm not sure, however, how it would work across international borders. A physical property is clearly somewhere and that's where it gets taxed. What would stop people from "moving" their intellectual properties to "IP tax heavens"?

The ability to sue. No tax to America, no suit in American court

So, assuming that such a system was adopted worldwide, you would have to pay a tax in every country of the world if you wanted your IP to be enforceable in all territories? Because if that's the case, owning IP will be so prohibitively expensive that only large corporations will be able to afford it. I'm not sure if that would be a good thing.

Re: Mark Cuban: If you want to see more jobs created -- change patent laws

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post #4

All right, so we all agree that software patents are a problem. So what do we do? A). Abolish software patents. Existing software patents, or parts of patents that govern software, are nullified. B). ??? Personally, I'm fine with A, but I would like to hear a really good B. Anyone? Bonus points: Provide a list of ~5 software patents that are "good" software patents. Something were granting the patent led to innovatio…

> All right, so we all agree that software patents are a problem.

The problem is much bigger than software patents.

Re: Mark Cuban: If you want to see more jobs created -- change patent laws

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post #104
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're mistaken. There is no certainly such "abandonment" clause under international copyright law (which binds most countries), and I doubt any individual country as such a law either. There are countless examples where copyright has only been defended in specific cases long after the copyright infringement was known of. Notable examples include the song "Happy Birthday" and the Amiga Kickstart ROM. Feel free to pro…

Hmmm, thought I was right, but I suppose not - thanks. What about trademarks - you have to defend those, right?

Yes

Re: Mark Cuban: If you want to see more jobs created -- change patent laws

#110
the really insidious effect of this patent trolling is that it robs capital from true inovation. Instead of companies like Google and Apple spending money on hiring people to inovate and create new products, they are spending billions on defending what they already have. Very sad.
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