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Life-size camel sculptures in Saudi Arabia are older than Stonehenge, pyramids

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Re: Life-size camel sculptures in Saudi Arabia are older than Stonehenge, pyramids

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> the time of the statues’ creation, around the sixth millennium B.C.E., the Arabian Peninsula was filled with grassland and much wetter than it is now.

We’re camels significantly different during this time? How much of their current features are things evolved to deal with the desert climate?

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The linked initial (2018) find article has more convincing photos, in my opinion: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/15/science/camels-sculptures... Submission from the time, not really discussed (just to save you the search): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16391610

Thanks! This picture is so much better - really shows the scale and the detail. My intuitions and my knowledge of statistics hints that there's really no reason much, much older somewhat advanced "societies" couldn't have existed but have just not been excavated or have vanished because of porous materials. Does anyone know of any good podcasts / books that delves into topics like this? I've always found fringe theor…

> Does anyone know of any good podcasts / books that delves into topics like this?

"Civilization is always older than we think; and under whatever sod we tread are the bones of men and women who also worked and loved, wrote songs and made beautiful things, but whose names and very being have been lost in the careless flow of time." - Will Durant

While I have only read his "The Greatest Minds and Ideas of All Time", his wife Ariel Durant and him co-wrote an 11 volume "biography" of civilization called "The Story of Civilization", which I believe deals with such things.

Re: Life-size camel sculptures in Saudi Arabia are older than Stonehenge, pyramids

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I was about to say they have a powerful imagination to see camels in that eroded rock... however after a quick search, there are better photos online: https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/MAGAZINE-2-000-year-old-...

Camel? Or Star Wars walker machine? Inquiring minds want to know... :-)

The very sloped back and back legs reveal they’re camels not AT-AT: the hind slope of the AT-AT is very shallow and its leg joint does not bend back.

Re: Life-size camel sculptures in Saudi Arabia are older than Stonehenge, pyramids

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I was about to say they have a powerful imagination to see camels in that eroded rock... however after a quick search, there are better photos online: https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/MAGAZINE-2-000-year-old-...

Camel? Or Star Wars walker machine? Inquiring minds want to know... :-)

Can't see any long neck, so my vote goes to the Star Wars walker.

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Imagine how much more creative we'd tend to be if we didn't have television and Internet distractions! What do you do after a long day of herding livestock? Take your chert, grab a drink and carve some camels!

What exactly are we being distracted by on the internet and television? The flourishing unbridled creativity of millions of people like us, far more than ever before in history, no?

If people were the same back then:- Most people hung out and watched the Camels being carved, many watched others `reacting` to the Camel carvings, and a few critiqued the Carvings. Only a few did the carving.

Re: Life-size camel sculptures in Saudi Arabia are older than Stonehenge, pyramids

#46
This headline seems odd. It feels like it's implying that carving a life size camel into rock is more technologically sophisticated than assembling Stonehenge or the pyramids and therefore we should be surprised.

I get that they thought they were newer, and now think they are older, still strange headline to lead with.

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Imagine how much more creative we'd tend to be if we didn't have television and Internet distractions! What do you do after a long day of herding livestock? Take your chert, grab a drink and carve some camels!

Preposterous. Creativity has never been more unbounded and flourishing than it is now.

Boom Boom

Re: Life-size camel sculptures in Saudi Arabia are older than Stonehenge, pyramids

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This headline seems odd. It feels like it's implying that carving a life size camel into rock is more technologically sophisticated than assembling Stonehenge or the pyramids and therefore we should be surprised. I get that they thought they were newer, and now think they are older, still strange headline to lead with.

I just read it as "what are some old things made of rock that people know about, to use as a reference frame?"

It's the pineapple/washing machine/stonehenge unit system. Not to be confused with firkin/furlong/fortnight. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FFF_system

Re: Life-size camel sculptures in Saudi Arabia are older than Stonehenge, pyramids

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you intend to comment on another thread ? The article is about sculptures in Saudi Arabia, that are already protected, it's unrelated to the US

This used to be a comment about how all White Americans should protect Indian heritage. Which they of course should, but he also accused all White people of "ravaging" Indian sites etc.

European settlers trashed an entire continent in a few hundred years; stop and imagine what it must have looked like when they first arrived. How this ends up filed under Camel art is a mystery.

Re: Life-size camel sculptures in Saudi Arabia are older than Stonehenge, pyramids

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The linked initial (2018) find article has more convincing photos, in my opinion: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/15/science/camels-sculptures... Submission from the time, not really discussed (just to save you the search): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16391610

Thanks! This picture is so much better - really shows the scale and the detail. My intuitions and my knowledge of statistics hints that there's really no reason much, much older somewhat advanced "societies" couldn't have existed but have just not been excavated or have vanished because of porous materials. Does anyone know of any good podcasts / books that delves into topics like this? I've always found fringe theor…

If you're looking for lost and re-found civilizations, maybe look into the archeological history of Troy, or maybe the Olmec culture of south America. (There are many)

My favorite though is this documentary series on YouTube. The 2nd installment is especially good. Highly recommend:

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwB8gn3XsXHiHDhY3e8XsavyS...

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