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With Google, There Will Be Bad Blood

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Re: With Google, There Will Be Bad Blood

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Am I the only one feeling like some people are trying way too hard to influence others on how they perceive Google? It seems to all have happened at the same time too. I don't have any proof, but it does smell a bit like an astroturf campaign (I'm not referring to this TC article, but mostly to comments I've seen here and elsewhere).

You are right, it gets suspiciously much these days. In Germany, some days ago, came out that Microsoft paid for an Anti-Google article in a Newspaper. I can search for a link (in German) if somebody wants proof.

Yes please.

Re: With Google, There Will Be Bad Blood

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You are right, it gets suspiciously much these days. In Germany, some days ago, came out that Microsoft paid for an Anti-Google article in a Newspaper. I can search for a link (in German) if somebody wants proof.

Yes please.

The article itself: http://www.fr-online.de/politik/meinung/der-mensch-denkt--go...

Blog entry about this: http://blog.die-linke.de/digitalelinke/anti-google-pr-in-der...

Follow up in a startup blog: http://netzwertig.com/2011/08/05/mangelnde-transparenz-uber-...

Re: With Google, There Will Be Bad Blood

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To me the only real problem with Google attempting to "do everything" is they seem to be bad at doing real business in any space other than their core ad business. It's as if the billions they make from ads dwarf other activities to the point where they cant be bothered to earn the millions they could make with other activities.

For example Google Analytics. From Wikipedia;

> Another market share analysis claims that Google Analytics is used at around 49.95% of the top 1,000,000 websites (as currently ranked by Alexa)

Having used Google Analytics on a relatively high traffic site ( http://www.local.ch ), it has some serious shortcomings, such as limits on API usage and accuracy of the data or even basic technical support. We'd be more than willing to pay an "enterprise license" fee in the order of a few hundreds of thousands to address this but Google isn't interested, which is maddening. As such they squat on the analytics market, their free offering acting as a barrier to entry for innovative competition, while failing to innovate themselves. The strategy with Analytics seems to be that it should support the ad business and nothing more.

The Android Market is another example. The market dynamics are different, but again Androids primary purpose seems to be to supporting the ad business again. That seems to be reflected by Googles fumbling of the Android Market to the point where Amazon feels it's worth attempting.

Similar stories apply to many other of Googles products; Groups, Blogger, Picassa, Google Desktop and to an extent even Google Docs - the appearance of "we're already rich - why bother?".

As such, outside of it's core business Google is basically a "Market squatter", blocking entry to others while driving customers mad with incomplete offerings. Can't help feeling if they could solve this by getting serious about monetizing those side products.

Re: With Google, There Will Be Bad Blood

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Yes please.

The article itself: http://www.fr-online.de/politik/meinung/der-mensch-denkt--go... Blog entry about this: http://blog.die-linke.de/digitalelinke/anti-google-pr-in-der... Follow up in a startup blog: http://netzwertig.com/2011/08/05/mangelnde-transparenz-uber-...

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Re: With Google, There Will Be Bad Blood

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I have always wondered about the bad blood between MGS and the TC community. Now I know why. How this passes off as journalism is beyond me. EDIT: rephrasing of final line.

Yup, every post he makes is either trash talking any of Apple's competitors, or praising Apple for how they are dominating the market / making record profits etc.

Back before Android was such a force he used to trash talk Microsoft constantly. Now that Android has overtaken iOS he's switched targets to Google.

He still works for them because he gets a ton of attention and page views for TC. But really he's just a troll, and while trolls get lots of attention that isn't necessarily a good thing...

Re: With Google, There Will Be Bad Blood

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Gmail isn't bundled with Android. In fact Google went after CyanogenMod for bundling it.

I think he's going after the inverse point and in a sarcastic manner: that Google didn't bundle Android along with any of their popular products. Microsoft did by including IE with Windows which was then shipped with every computer, thus using their dominant marketshare of the OS space in order to take over the browser space.

haha, yeah, sorry. Maybe too subtle.

Re: With Google, There Will Be Bad Blood

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Google done so much good in the world and people are pissed off for google butting into their market and taking away their money.

All tech companies have an equal amount of the good and evil in them. For you to characterize Google as 'good' means that their PR has done it's job well.

Re: With Google, There Will Be Bad Blood

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This article is basically judging Google for competing against market leaders. By the tone of this article, it would seem the author (MG Siegler) prefers instead that a monopoly exists in every sector of the market and that the companies are all buddy-buddy with one another. Fuck everything about that.

A large section of Apple bloggers are taking this whole Google vs. Apple thing as if monopoly of the iPhone was a divine, assured panacea that was unfairly disrupted by Google's misstep that was Android. It was as if something akin to their 'right' was denied and they will go to any lengths to restore it.

It is mind boggling how the vestiges of religious zealotry make a big part of technology evangelism! You would think that the technically inclined will take at least a tad bit logical approach to it but no - it's equally worse or more than religious zealotry!

Re: With Google, There Will Be Bad Blood

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Give me a break. > And, Google's secrecy and self-isolation erodes trust. Many, if not most, tech companies are much more secretive than Google (Apple?). From the few times I've read Google's blogs, I thought they were quite transparent and open. > the current interpretation of Delaware corporate law states that a corporation must maximize shareholder value. That would make a great tagline for a dystopian Hollywood f…

Many, if not most, tech companies are much more secretive than Google (Apple?). From the few times I've read Google's blogs, I thought they were quite transparent and open. Ummm.... I'm talking from the perspective of hosting the largest networking group of tech founders in Silicon Valley for the last 4 years. We've held meetups of 150+ people 4 miles away from the Googleplex every month for several years now. How ma…

>If Google doesn't use that data for it's own corporate advantage it's stupid.

Maybe they don't do some of the things you're saying because its illegal and in 13 years of business where their business relies on a public reputation.. it would do more damage to their business then the minor wins of spying on some startup that they can probably out compete anyways.

Re: With Google, There Will Be Bad Blood

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Google done so much good in the world and people are pissed off for google butting into their market and taking away their money.

All tech companies have an equal amount of the good and evil in them. For you to characterize Google as 'good' means that their PR has done it's job well.

> All tech companies have an equal amount of the good and evil in them.

[Citation Needed]

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