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I use a really cheap Acer laptop with a basic windows precision touchpad.

On Linux with GNOME 40... it seems perfectly acceptable. I haven't used Macs too extensively in the past so maybe I'm not used to something wildly better. Synaptics touchpads are still absolutely terrible, but the touchpad on this laptop is quite serviceable for basic multi-touch gestures at least, in my opinion.

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#52
I think it's because the laptop OEMs don't build their own laptops, they just pay some Taiwanese ODM to build it. The ODM is more of a manufacturing company than an R&D company and thus does not have the DNA or enough incentive to build a quality trackpad + drivers.

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Correct me if I am wrong. I think all current Windows Laptop are trackpad with physical clicks. Apple's Trackpad has been using Force Touch ( haptic engine ) since 2015. But I remember correctly my MacBook Air trackpad before Force Touch were excellent too. It is one of those things where people " thinks " they are doing comparison when they are not. You often see enthusiast and nerds doing so called spec comparison.…

Better keyboard? Seriously - you want to go there?

Trackpad is a no brainer...

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I'd say it's the OS, and the drivers. I do use a Magic Trackpad 2 with Precision drivers on Windows 10 and ... it's as sluggish as my laptop native touchpad. Gestures barely makes senses, it's lagging everywhere, while the same device on OSX allow smooth-as-butter(tm) interactions. I also found that OSX drivers have a nicer palm rejection feature where on Windows I frequently click with the palm of my hand. I had an…

I use MacBook Pro 11.3 (mid 2014) with Haiku OS, there are no device specific drivers for that OS, and it behaves the same as OSX. It’s most likely the firmware which exports a generic HID which does the “mapping”.

i have the opposite experience. installed windows 10 on mbp 15 2014 and came back days later because of the trackpad being unusable(high expectations maybe)

Re: Ask HN: Why is the touchpad on MacBooks still ahead of other manufacturers?

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post #36

I'd say it's the OS, and the drivers. I do use a Magic Trackpad 2 with Precision drivers on Windows 10 and ... it's as sluggish as my laptop native touchpad. Gestures barely makes senses, it's lagging everywhere, while the same device on OSX allow smooth-as-butter(tm) interactions. I also found that OSX drivers have a nicer palm rejection feature where on Windows I frequently click with the palm of my hand. I had an…

I use MacBook Pro 11.3 (mid 2014) with Haiku OS, there are no device specific drivers for that OS, and it behaves the same as OSX. It’s most likely the firmware which exports a generic HID which does the “mapping”.

The trackpad was improved in 2015, I think there might be less of a difference on a 2014 model.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the touchpad on MacBooks still ahead of other manufacturers?

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post #15

Correct me if I am wrong. I think all current Windows Laptop are trackpad with physical clicks. Apple's Trackpad has been using Force Touch ( haptic engine ) since 2015. But I remember correctly my MacBook Air trackpad before Force Touch were excellent too. It is one of those things where people " thinks " they are doing comparison when they are not. You often see enthusiast and nerds doing so called spec comparison.…

> I think all current Windows Laptop are trackpad with physical clicks. They all support tap-to-click though (some better than others). Personally I try to avoid the "traditional" click both on Windows and Macs, because they take so much longer than a simple tap.

You missed the point of Force Touch on macbook trackpads. It wasn’t about tap to click at all, it was about the actual press to click.

It was about the fact that while on other trackpads when you click, they produce a mechanical click. Macbook trackpads don’t have a mechanical click, the feeling of that click gets reproduced by the haptic/vibration engine. Which sounds wonky to emulate a physical click with a haptic engine, but in reality it works out like magic.

You can test it easily by turning off a macbook and trying to click on the trackpad. It won’t click at all, it will feel like just a flat piece of glass/metal/etc with no clickability.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the touchpad on MacBooks still ahead of other manufacturers?

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think all current Windows Laptop are trackpad with physical clicks. They all support tap-to-click though (some better than others). Personally I try to avoid the "traditional" click both on Windows and Macs, because they take so much longer than a simple tap.

You missed the point of Force Touch on macbook trackpads. It wasn’t about tap to click at all, it was about the actual press to click. It was about the fact that while on other trackpads when you click, they produce a mechanical click. Macbook trackpads don’t have a mechanical click, the feeling of that click gets reproduced by the haptic/vibration engine. Which sounds wonky to emulate a physical click with a haptic…

I didn't miss it, I'm aware of the Force Touch touchpad on new Macs. I just think that it isn't all that important because tap-to-click is usually the better option anyway. I guess the main point of Force Touch is that it removes another mechanical component that could wear out or break (like HDD => SSD).
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