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Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

seniorivn wrote: post #82
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #50

It is time to ask Google and Apple if they were asked to actually remove Telegram from stores, when russian government was trying to ban it. It wasn't removed at the time, and all sources that Apple and Google were demanded to block it in Russia pointed to press-release on RosKomNadzor itself. I suspect that it is possible that all this Telegram block in Russia was a PR campaign coordinated with Russian government to…

it is possible, but it's also true that telegram bot is the only platform of Navalny smart vote service that keeps working(aside text file circulating all over the internet)

I wonder why all modern hipsters ignore email as a platform. Like, Telegram on behest of Apple and Google repeatedly bans flibusta bots (a site with a great collection of pirated books), why don't they make an email bot? What would Apple do, ban their own mail app? Start censoring emails?

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Post by 3np »

mrtksn wrote: post #18

There's no way Apple or any company to act as an extralegal entity in another country. Every time something like that comes up, I'm baffled by the expectation that an American company will impose the American values or American laws in another country. Back in the day when the internet felt like international thing not bound by any local laws, that was possible to some degrees but legislators caught up with it. It is…

> Allowing alternative AppStores also wouldn't solve it but only delegate it to the people who run those alternative AppStores.

That's the point, though. In and near moral and legal gray zones there's a whole range of plausible judgements; currently there is only not room for anything beyond that set by the incumbents.

Not to mention cases like when people get deplatformed simply for business or political reasons (like Blizzard shutting off individuals outside of China to keep the Chinese market or Apple with the FlickType keyboard).

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Post by exizt88 »

viktorcode wrote: post #85

Reuters doesn't report this, but the government officials threatened the companies (Apple and Google) with jail time for their employees yesterday. After that the companies finally conceded. There's a short video fragment from the meeting of the government officials and the companies representatives. It's worth watching, especially if you come from a democratic nation. Letting your Russian employees be persecuted don…

Care to provide a source for this?

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Post by wwtrv »

madeofpalk wrote: post #90
yawaworht1978 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have they ever explained why the csam would be implemented? Apple bends just fine if the government is powerful enough and the marketplace is big enough, see China.

They say it is their responsibility, they don't want to be hosting and serving this content. They have mentioned it's their moral obligation, and they're just playing catch up to other providers. The story that keeps getting mentioned is that Facebook reports about 55k images a day, Google reports about 1500/day, whereas Apple was reporting 250 a year.

You do understand that icloud is a private storage platform which is fundamentally different from Facebook/Instagram which are used for publicly sharing photos?

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Post by oleganza »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #88
viktorcode wrote: post #85

Reuters doesn't report this, but the government officials threatened the companies (Apple and Google) with jail time for their employees yesterday. After that the companies finally conceded. There's a short video fragment from the meeting of the government officials and the companies representatives. It's worth watching, especially if you come from a democratic nation. Letting your Russian employees be persecuted don…

Pull out of the countries then. Participating in dictatorship is barely better than refusing to do so if that dictatorship will falsely imprison your employees.

I'm no fan of political power in Russia (my home country) or anywhere else in the world, but come on with this double-standard bullshit.

Every country does exactly the same thing. Just look at how much suppression of "alternative voices" happens in real time all over the world and what apps were banned, accounts closed etc. Jan 6 was painted as bad as 9/11, ffs. It may be staged differently so it's not the "government" directly steps onto your 1st amendment, but "private biz", but who are we kidding. When there are forbidden topics and forbidden people, it's the outcomes that matter, not specific mechanisms.

Google and Apple are collaborating with all governments, and all governments are abusing their powers in someone's own interests, so calling for "pulling out" of a "misbehaving country" makes as much sense as asking for rain to drop upwards.

I'd better explore how people could reduce their dependence on any giant corporation, regardless of it being a business or a government, from West or East.

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Post by throw_m239339 »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #88
viktorcode wrote: post #85

Reuters doesn't report this, but the government officials threatened the companies (Apple and Google) with jail time for their employees yesterday. After that the companies finally conceded. There's a short video fragment from the meeting of the government officials and the companies representatives. It's worth watching, especially if you come from a democratic nation. Letting your Russian employees be persecuted don…

Pull out of the countries then. Participating in dictatorship is barely better than refusing to do so if that dictatorship will falsely imprison your employees.

> Pull out of the countries then.

Then why Apple hasn't pulled out of China? Like 2 decades ago? China was always a brutal dictatorship. Why would they pull out of anything? These company profit from bloody dictatorships, like the rest of the western economy. But somehow when it's about Russia it's a problem? The hypocrisy in the west must stop. The west and it's industry never stood for freedom abroad since it decided that business is more important than democracy in the rest of the world, basically when the west accepted China in the WTO.

> Participating in dictatorship is barely better than refusing to do so if that dictatorship will falsely imprison your employees.

Tell that to Apple in China, a country that is literally using slave workforce from concentration camps. But Russia is where people here start being outraged?

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Post by neonbones »

exizt88 wrote: post #113
viktorcode wrote: post #85

Reuters doesn't report this, but the government officials threatened the companies (Apple and Google) with jail time for their employees yesterday. After that the companies finally conceded. There's a short video fragment from the meeting of the government officials and the companies representatives. It's worth watching, especially if you come from a democratic nation. Letting your Russian employees be persecuted don…

Care to provide a source for this?

This is shadier than it seems. The opposition organization FBK (ФБК) was just called out as "extremists," and with this government decision, they wrote mails to Google and Apple to block "extremists." There are published answers from Apple with details.

https://twitter.com/ioannZH/status/1438750081402953728

Any government can easily classify any opposition as "extremists" now and Apple and Google will ban them.

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Post by ComodoHacker »

viktorcode wrote: post #85

Reuters doesn't report this, but the government officials threatened the companies (Apple and Google) with jail time for their employees yesterday. After that the companies finally conceded. There's a short video fragment from the meeting of the government officials and the companies representatives. It's worth watching, especially if you come from a democratic nation. Letting your Russian employees be persecuted don…

>It's worth watching

Why haven't you provided a link then?

Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Post by [deleted] »

viktorcode wrote: post #85

Reuters doesn't report this, but the government officials threatened the companies (Apple and Google) with jail time for their employees yesterday. After that the companies finally conceded. There's a short video fragment from the meeting of the government officials and the companies representatives. It's worth watching, especially if you come from a democratic nation. Letting your Russian employees be persecuted don…

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Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin

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Post by madeofpalk »

wwtrv wrote: post #114
madeofpalk wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They say it is their responsibility, they don't want to be hosting and serving this content. They have mentioned it's their moral obligation, and they're just playing catch up to other providers. The story that keeps getting mentioned is that Facebook reports about 55k images a day, Google reports about 1500/day, whereas Apple was reporting 250 a year.

You do understand that icloud is a private storage platform which is fundamentally different from Facebook/Instagram which are used for publicly sharing photos?

Okay? I don't work for Apple, and I'm not making any judgement or sharing my opinion, just answering the question that was asked in a way that I hope was objectively factual with little editorialising.

I will state though that Google Photos has in-servers CSAM detection, and Dropbox. You can have your own opinion about all of that.

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