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Windows 11: Just say no

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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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I’m not hostile towards it, but so far i see no reason to upgrade. What new features does Windows 11 have that Windows 10 doesnt?

A built-in X for WSL

If only WSL2 wasn't half baked dogshit that breaks all networked features over VPN and this release didn't spin up my work computer's fans to max at all times, windows 11 might be usable.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Ive been using win 11 on my laptop for a couple months now. I like the new UI, it feels simpler and less gaudy. The drop down menu expansion thing is fine. I also prefer the redesign of the settings app. I find casting my screen and bluetooth works better. Windows has been missing something decent window snapping features forever and although it's a bit clunky I appreciate that it's there. The only thing that has ann…

My biggest annoyance is that they've removed the ability to open the task manager by right-clicking the taskbar. Instead, I have to right-click the Windows icon in the bottom left. Just ... why? What benefit is there to not letting me right-click anywhere on the bottom part of my screen? Do none of these muppets even use Windows?

Oh man. I use this feature often. Microsoft is slowly driving me to Linux in the form of ChromeOS.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#343

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> Why do they keep messing with the UI? UX folks don't get paid to leave things alone.

Cough spotify

Heh. I used uBlock origin to hide all the podcast elements in Spotify web for a clean desktop web-based Spotify. Every time I open up the app on my phone, I die a little.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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People just don't like change. There will be lots of weeping and wailing an gnashing of teeth, then people will grow accustomed to it. Same happened with 8 and 10. The furor over 8's missing start menu was intense, even though it takes literally seconds to install Classic Shell and get a better start menu than Windows 7 ever had. In 3-4 years the cycle will repeat again with Windows 12.

> People just don't like change. People don't like clearly unfinished products rushed to market before they're ready.

No, more like what the parent said. People hated visa with passion but I had been running its beta as my main driver for 6 months before it was released. Imagine that, Windows Vista beta.

The only advantage I had over the majority is that it was a brand new computer (with 2GB of RAM, wow) so I did not experience slowdowns.

Vista was better than XP in every way except performance on the low-end.

Windows 8 was an exciting change from Microsoft, but yeah some things weren't fixed until 8.1 and the damage was done.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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I was forcibly updated to the Windows 11 developer builds, because I have setup the release channel to get new WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux) features early. The UI was a big letdown. I've had my task bar vertically in the left edge of the screen for ages. It makes sense because screens have more width than height. However, in Windows 11 they explicitly "do not support" that.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#346

The amount of kvetching and unneeded stress over what is basically a UI overhaul is astounding. If your computer doesn’t run it then it’s moot. If you’re not interested in the UI overhaul don’t install. But neither case requires the amount of wahh that were seeing.

You do realise that a UI overhaul is, for a surprisingly large number of users, essentially bricking the computer, right? And it's not just a UI overhaul; the Home version cannot be used without a Microsoft account.

I think our versions of bricking are a little different

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#347

I was forcibly updated to the Windows 11 developer builds, because I have setup the release channel to get new WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux) features early. The UI was a big letdown. I've had my task bar vertically in the left edge of the screen for ages. It makes sense because screens have more width than height. However, in Windows 11 they explicitly "do not support" that.

Jesus, even Mac OS with its similar design supports that

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#348
I was wondering if the old curse afflicting Microsoft that makes every other version of Windows broadly hated was going to happen again.

Given the current amount of criticism, apparently it's happening again.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#349

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> Why do they keep messing with the UI? UX folks don't get paid to leave things alone.

Cough spotify

Spotify was pretty snappy in the early days, I guess a decade ago now. Current iteration boots up in 3 minutes and is unnavigable. Went back to Winamp and occasional usage of the web player.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#350

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

> Microsoft needs someone with a vision for Windows at the helm, someone they trust enough to go hands off and let them materialize that vision. Regardless of what that vision is That sounds a lot like how Windows 8 went. My personal opinion: they should have frozen the UI at Win7. The kernel improvements since that time are fine. Iterative, under the hood improvements over UI revolution.

Was about to say the same. That is exactly how Windows 8 was made. Really wish we had gotten more of a continuation of the design of Win 7 instead of everything else that’s happened since.
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