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Windows 11: Just say no

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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by rossmohax »

armchairhacker wrote: post #207
partiallypro wrote: post #124

I have been using Windows 11 as a daily driver and don't really understand people's hostility towards it. It is definitely an upgrade over Windows 10. Comparing it to Vista is nonsensical. I don't agree with a few decisions (like making centering the menu a default?) but most are easily fixed. I would like to see them delay it to fix some problems, but it's possible those will already be fleshed out by launch.

I’m not hostile towards it, but so far i see no reason to upgrade. What new features does Windows 11 have that Windows 10 doesnt?

Direct Storage?

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by ryandrake »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #96
GiorgioG wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why do they keep messing with the UI? UX folks don't get paid to leave things alone.

Nobody gets paid to leave things alone and maybe that's a big problem with the world.

It's definitely a big problem with software. This "need to constantly pay developers" is part of the justification for moving towards subscription payment instead of one-time payment. The logic goes: One-time payment won't pay for future changes, and developers are always making changes, and they need to be paid for. But, what if I don't want future changes? For almost all software I've ever paid for, as a user, I just want the goddamn software exactly how it is today, forever. I'd maybe be willing to pay for security updates, but that's it.

But, noooooo, the company decides developers must perpetually change the software and designers need to perpetually change the UI, and therefore you must continue to pay for it, regardless of whether you want any of those changes.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by jussij »

Dork1234 wrote: post #211
zozbot234 wrote: post #116

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The Win32 widgets are scalable, actually. They support device-independent units out of the box, even in Windows 95.

The only people that say Win32 apps are scalable are the ones that haven't dealt with legacy code. There is jut too much legacy code that either doesn't work, or doesn't work correctly with HiDPI screens.

At a minimum, for a Win32 application to work correctly with HiDPI it needs to tell the OS it is DPI aware.

This is done by marking the application DPI aware using the settings found in the manifest file.

The manifest file is then embedded into the resource section of the application, which then lets the OS know the application will be handling it's own DPI.

So the reason many of those 'legacy apps' don't work with HiDPI is they don't have those required manifest changes in place.

That then means the OS does the DPI scaling on behalf of the application and that results in poor scaling outcomes.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by 2Pacalypse- »

glimshe wrote: post #161
cogman10 wrote: post #64

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This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI? Nobody wants that! Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you. What I, and probably non-power users want out of windows is for it to be faster and use less power. I'd honestly be happy to go back to a Win95 interface with the latest kernel. Microsoft needs to fi…

I'm enraged by the new UI where you can't have multiple instances of the same application side-by-side in the taskbar. It's one of the things I hate in chromebooks, which Windows decided to adopt as their only (non hidden) option.

Yeah, I hated this too. I've been using the 7+ Taskbar Tweaker program[0] to change this behaviour and I honestly couldn't imagine using Windows without it at this point.

[0] - https://rammichael.com/7-taskbar-tweaker

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by abledon »

GiorgioG wrote: post #76
cogman10 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI? Nobody wants that! Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you. What I, and probably non-power users want out of windows is for it to be faster and use less power. I'd honestly be happy to go back to a Win95 interface with the latest kernel. Microsoft needs to fi…

> Why do they keep messing with the UI? UX folks don't get paid to leave things alone.

Cough spotify

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by omegalulw »

NtGuy25 wrote: post #199

I really like Windows 11. Hyper-V has some MASSIVE updates which noone talks about, as well as stuff like the network stack being rewritten. It's better to view this as a Windows 10 Refresh with alot done behind the scenes and a new UI. Not much of this is talked about though, outside of really niche highly technical circles. There's some false narrative about it which is bizarre.

I would caution against being giddy about rewrites. As an end user, you should always be skeptical of brand new fresh off the factory bugs in rewrites, especially when the rewrite is of something as complex as a network stack.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by smackeyacky »

tacker2000 wrote: post #106
EMM_386 wrote: post #40

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> Multiple teams are fighting UI politics over WinUI, MAUI on top of WinUI, React Native with WinUI, and classical UWP is not going away (Windows 11 Store is written in it), then ASP.NET team is pushing Blazor everywhere including on Web Widgets. Great point. As a developer in the Windows sphere for decades, I'm used to change. However, at this point I have no idea what I am supposed to be developing user interfaces…

Yea vscode is really great! Could someone knowledgeable give a rundown of the exact stack/frameworks/etc they are using?

AFAIK it's Electron (i.e. javascript, chrome as the renderer, node.js I think looking at the processes).

So...not a lot of Microsoft product in it. Ironic.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by beamatronic »

saurik wrote: post #158
dylan604 wrote: post #139

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Farmers can get paid to not grow crops.

Damn... the idea that maybe we should be banding together as a democracy and cutting deals to subsidize the engineering work of companies that are willing to "lay fallow" their design teams is fascinating.

Another one would be paying Wall Street bankers not to create innovative banking products, like synthetic CDO's

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by emerged »

oxipital wrote: post #249

The amount of kvetching and unneeded stress over what is basically a UI overhaul is astounding. If your computer doesn’t run it then it’s moot. If you’re not interested in the UI overhaul don’t install. But neither case requires the amount of wahh that were seeing.

Complaining about Windows is one of the few things people have left to agree about. Now why would you want to go and mess that up with your comment?
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