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Windows 11: Just say no

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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by Dork1234 »

zozbot234 wrote: post #116
alkonaut wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not broke, stop trying to fix it. There could have been better ways to keep it modern, but just leaving everything alone because “it works” isn’t really an option. First comes Unicode, then 4K/High-dpi scaling, then touch support and so on. Once high DPI screens arrived, UIs that scaled poorly literally don’t work.

The Win32 widgets are scalable, actually. They support device-independent units out of the box, even in Windows 95.

The only people that say Win32 apps are scalable are the ones that haven't dealt with legacy code. There is jut too much legacy code that either doesn't work, or doesn't work correctly with HiDPI screens.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by Johanx64 »

NtGuy25 wrote: post #199

I really like Windows 11. Hyper-V has some MASSIVE updates which noone talks about, as well as stuff like the network stack being rewritten. It's better to view this as a Windows 10 Refresh with alot done behind the scenes and a new UI. Not much of this is talked about though, outside of really niche highly technical circles. There's some false narrative about it which is bizarre.

Can't think of a single "MASSIVE" update since transition to win7 64bit.

It's all fluff for what it is.

There basically hasn't been a good reason to upgrade windows other than arbitrary security update cutoffs, and mostly arbitrary caps to max DirectX version you can run.

I wouldn't be surprised if it would be a downright downgrade overall performance and responsiviness wise.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by tartoran »

Zardoz84 wrote: post #104
jnsaff2 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is M$ doing its tik-tok releases. XP - decent Vista - horrorshow 7 - alright (compared to vista) 8 - horrorshow 10 - alright (compared to 8) 11 - horrorshow Personally I will never use it unless I really need to and then kicking and screaming but that is my observation.

Allow to fix your list : XP - decent Vista - horrorshow 7 - alright (compared to vista) 8 - Not too bad 8.1 - alright 10 - dumpster fire 11 - another dumpster fire

Yes, W10 is/was kindof a garbage. W11 is going to be worse. The only reason I still use Win is for work purposes, otherwise I wouldn’t touch it with a 10 foot pole

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by tremon »

Wavelets wrote: post #9

Maybe it has better security, but it has worse privacy. Windows 10 is my last MS OS. Heading back to Linux as my daily driver with a System 76 machine.

If privacy is a concern for you, you should never have accepted Windows 10 in the first place. It's very likely that the same reasons that made you tolerate Windows 10 will make you accept Windows 11 as well.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by porknubbins »

cogman10 wrote: post #64
userbinator wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.

This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI? Nobody wants that! Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you. What I, and probably non-power users want out of windows is for it to be faster and use less power. I'd honestly be happy to go back to a Win95 interface with the latest kernel. Microsoft needs to fi…

The weird thing is they don’t redesign the old UI as much as put new “simpler” UI over it with the option to use either. I’m pretty sure there are like 3 levels of UI between Windows 10 and the classic Device Manager.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by ModernMech »

This is just the Windows product lifecycle.

- Windows 3.0 crashed all the time, Windows 3.1 was great

- Windows 95 and 98 were okay, I don't remember having much of a problem with them.

- Windows ME was terrible, Windows XP was great

- Windows Vista was terrible, Windows 7 was great

- Windows 8 was terrible, Windows 10 is great

- Windows 11 will be terrible, but there's always looking forward to Windows 12.

If anything I'm heart-warmed that a new generation will get to experience their own Windows ME/Vista/8 debacle. It's a coming of age story every computer kid must experience.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by cm2187 »

Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

On windows search, I never understood why it was so bloody slow, particularly on network drives. If I traverse the same folders programmatically I get a result in seconds or less. The search function will takes an order of magnitude that, and I don’t believe it is searching anything else than file names. And don’t even dare changing the sorting order of the search result, because of course it must trigger a new search from scratch.

Which leads me to the same conclusion than many other flaws in Windows. I don’t think the windows team at Microsoft uses windows themselves. They must all have macs at home or perhaps don’t care much about computers. But clearly those obvious UX failures do not seen to annoy them.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by spartanatreyu »

ineedasername wrote: post #175

I'm reluctant purely on the basis of MS's track record of every second version since Win '98 being crap: Win 98: good Win ME: bad Win XP: good Win Vista: bad Win 7: good Win 8: bad Win 9... well, #8 was so bad they had to skip a number Win 10: good Win 11: I'm not optimistic. 20+ years predict for badness. I'll wait until either 1) proven wrong or 2) Win 10 is EOL'ed. I just upgraded, but if I need a new system & it…

I see it more as:

Win 7: good

Win 8: bad

Win 8.1: good

Win 10: bad (there were early issues)

Win 10 later: good (they were fixed)

Win 10 even later: bad (remember when people's files were being deleted)

Win 10 now: good

Win 11: bad (mainly due to growing pains)

Win 11 soon: good

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by blacksmith_tb »

autoliteInline wrote: post #16
Wavelets wrote: post #9

Maybe it has better security, but it has worse privacy. Windows 10 is my last MS OS. Heading back to Linux as my daily driver with a System 76 machine.

I just fired up a Win10 machine for the first time in some while in order to run specific software. Good gawd. It was finally useful about 4 hours later after all the updates and tomfoolery. Never again.

Well, I am not sure it'd be painless to boot up a macOS machine or an Ubuntu desktop that hadn't been getting updates for months - probably not 4hr, but there'd be some annoyance.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by etaioinshrdlu »

gruez wrote: post #184
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. I use WindowBlinds to skin my Windows 10 to look like Windows 98. >.> It doesn't work for programs that create their own title bars or remove them entirely (like Chrome, Firefox, and Discord), but I love having 3D buttons on my task bar and windows.

can you provide a screenshot (or link to a theme) so I can see how it looks like? All of the windows classic themes I've seen for windows 8.1+ have been pretty meh.

I just found this... https://www.wincustomize.com/explore/windowblinds/9233/
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