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Windows 11: Just say no

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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by glimshe »

cogman10 wrote: post #64
userbinator wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.

This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI? Nobody wants that! Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you. What I, and probably non-power users want out of windows is for it to be faster and use less power. I'd honestly be happy to go back to a Win95 interface with the latest kernel. Microsoft needs to fi…

I'm enraged by the new UI where you can't have multiple instances of the same application side-by-side in the taskbar. It's one of the things I hate in chromebooks, which Windows decided to adopt as their only (non hidden) option.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by handrous »

hughrr wrote: post #130
nunez wrote: post #128

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Seriously. Windows Classic was perfect. Fast, functional, and extremely easy to learn.

Yeah if they gave me a high DPI Windows 11 classic theme without telemetry and some actual quality control I’d be all over it. My mother also agrees with me on this. She’s been progressively hating Windows more every release too.

I like that driver management no longer sucks, I like search-to-launch, and I like the way you can send windows to the left or right half of the screen (decent tiling WMs or Spectacle on macOS are much better, but hey, Windows' thing is better than nothing).

... that's a fairly complete list of improvements to Windows since, I dunno, Win2k, that I care about. Most other changes have been neutral, or made it worse.

[EDIT] oh, and two of those three probably would have been at least as good as high-quality add-ons (like the Spectacle example is, on macOS), so as far as really vital stuff goes, making drivers suck a lot less is just about it.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by itronitron »

pjmlp wrote: post #7

I have to agree, even though I have plenty of pro-Windows comments. To me Windows 11 feels like Vista, and to everyone that got burned with the rewrites on the WinRT side, just using plain Win32/MFC/Forms/WPF feels liberating. Multiple teams are fighting UI politics over WinUI, MAUI on top of WinUI, React Native with WinUI, and classical UWP is not going away (Windows 11 Store is written in it), then ASP.NET team is…

I like Windows, and I would prefer to keep everyone in my family running Windows, but Windows 10 just doesn't work as smoothly as it should considering the resources that Microsoft should be able to throw at it. Due to various latency issues in Windows 10, it feels like it was written by a couple of developers that don't fully understand the api/framework they are using. This should be their wheelhouse, since it is their OS, but it feels cobbled together. So I am slowly migrating my family to Linux as I don't have much confidence that MS will fix their shit.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by easton »

prirai wrote: post #52
throwawaysea wrote: post #13

This article seems to be making a point that you shouldn't upgrade to Windows 11 right now , since you might be encounter problems that result from the upgrade. But I have bigger apprehensions about Windows 11 than just that. Windows 11 feels like the culmination of a push to turn Windows into a walled garden service rather than a utilitarian operating system for generic computing devices. Dark patterns like forced l…

Using Linux is quite easier these days than ever before. About the usability: One command can update your system as well as all the apps installed. No hassle of shutting down your pc after an update. Limitless comfigurations to make the system your own. I would suggest using a community based distro, ones like Debian, Linux Mint, Fedora, Arch (Slightly hard), KDE Neon, etc. There's a very large community and also wel…

> No hassle of shutting down your pc after an update.

Has kernel hotpatching made it into a free distro? The only way I ever got it to work was installing RHEL (money) or Ubuntu Landscape (money after 10 servers). This would be super nice, as then I could once again have year long uptimes for my boxes.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by AQuantized »

jason0597 wrote: post #126
olah_1 wrote: post #49

Proton[1] is the reason my next machine will be Linux. [1]: https://www.protondb.com/

Honestly, the Linux desktop experience has come so far in the past 10 years. Sure I don't think it's perfect, but it's nowhere near as bad as it was in 2008 where Windows was still king and Linux had bugs everywhere in every distro and every desktop environment. I think people should seriously consider Linux now if they can't take anymore of Microsoft's shit

I totally agree. There are still times you will need to investigate why something isn't working on linux. But the upside is when you do, there's almost always a way to make it work the way you want.

In stark contrast with Windows 10 which has had features like window snapping at edges when dragging something across the boundary between monitors that you just can't turn off. Or updates that seem to obey their own arcane rules instead of requiring a simple sudo [package-manager] [update-command]

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by Koshkin »

jnsaff2 wrote: post #54
pjmlp wrote: post #7

I have to agree, even though I have plenty of pro-Windows comments. To me Windows 11 feels like Vista, and to everyone that got burned with the rewrites on the WinRT side, just using plain Win32/MFC/Forms/WPF feels liberating. Multiple teams are fighting UI politics over WinUI, MAUI on top of WinUI, React Native with WinUI, and classical UWP is not going away (Windows 11 Store is written in it), then ASP.NET team is…

This is M$ doing its tik-tok releases. XP - decent Vista - horrorshow 7 - alright (compared to vista) 8 - horrorshow 10 - alright (compared to 8) 11 - horrorshow Personally I will never use it unless I really need to and then kicking and screaming but that is my observation.

FWIW, it’s “tick-tock.”

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by Tarsul »

ageofzfarm wrote: post #136
prirai wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using Linux is quite easier these days than ever before. About the usability: One command can update your system as well as all the apps installed. No hassle of shutting down your pc after an update. Limitless comfigurations to make the system your own. I would suggest using a community based distro, ones like Debian, Linux Mint, Fedora, Arch (Slightly hard), KDE Neon, etc. There's a very large community and also wel…

What's really difficult for the average user is the installation process. Debian is what I install to friends and family because the system is really tested, stable and does not annoy them with continuous update pop ups. Then every two years, we have a dinner at my place and I help them upgrade. They tell me that their pc seems less "magical", that they feel they have more control over what it does. The only real iss…

Excel really is the/my last hold-out for Windows. Excel for web is not adequate. Maybe it's better that way for MS/windows, otherwise there are no reasons to stay with windows except it being a habit. For my private use I'll try changing to Linux with Steam Deck.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by WalterBright »

Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

> Google Desktop Search RIP or FileLocator Pro

I don't use such apps, not because I don't like them, but because these days I just don't trust them to not surreptitiously send an index of my system to them.

I wrote my own file search programs. It's not hard, just a few lines of code. I use them every day.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by garaetjjte »

rejectfinite wrote: post #53
Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

>UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. This is good. mmc.exe and its apps is used for actual work in IT.

They should make it DPI-aware, though...
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