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The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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does it work both ways? can i present this data as an alibi when i need one? if its not deemed accurate for that why would it be considered for evidence? and if it is that seems like free alibis for everyone guilty or not ;)

Which do you think is more important? Needing to present an alibi in the case of you being wrongly accused? Or needing to conceal your actions in a world where something new has been made illegal?

The former is more important. At least in the U.S., ex post facto laws are unconstitutional, so you don't have to worry about concealing past actions when something new is made illegal.

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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They've been doing this for going on 20 years now.

Long ago someone stole a $1000 note out of a safe. Local sheriff's office asked Google for everyone in the area that recently did a search for them--- got back pages and pages of results because some TV show had an episode about them.

If your search history doesn't give you anxiety you're not cynical enough.

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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Geofence warrants are analogous to getting a warrant for the check-in log at a hotel after a guest is murdered. So long as there is probable cause, this should not be a legal issue. See https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/probable_cause : > A judge may issue a search warrant if the affidavit in support of the warrant offers sufficient credible information to establish probable cause. When you use these types of technolog…

Geofence warrants are more analogous to getting a warrant to check the surface thoughts of everyone in a certain area.

We just don't yet have brain implants allowing our corporate overlords to directly log our surface thoughts yet, for now they only capture them via backscatter in our search queries.

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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Which do you think is more important? Needing to present an alibi in the case of you being wrongly accused? Or needing to conceal your actions in a world where something new has been made illegal?

The former is more important. At least in the U.S., ex post facto laws are unconstitutional, so you don't have to worry about concealing past actions when something new is made illegal.

Strong disagree and I think you're looking at it at too small of a scale. Your phone monitoring your location is a placeholder for tech knowing what you do in your private life. The tech is just going to get better than your phone.

Put it this way, if you had cameras watching you every moment of your life, you could have the perfect alibi for anything. But you would never be able to do anything considered illegal again, for whatever definition of "illegal."

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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I keep Google location history on so I can have evidence of where I was.

As if that was admissible. Easily faked by leaving your device at home.

Paired with other metadata (which can also be faked) I’d bet a jury would find the data quite convincing

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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I remember that story about Zachary McCoy. This whole thing continues to get worse quick and will continue to get worse. I know people say we need legislation and regulation on data privacy and tech companies which we do. But before that gets taken seriously (at least in the US) it's going to take something real scandalous done by tech companies and actually affect the common folk where they actually start to care. R…

HN is pretty out of touch I think. When I talk to non HN crowd. * Apple's efforts around blocking CASM are applauded * Folks are GLAD that cops are using tech to catch criminals * Folks don't have a ton of trust that the regulations will help their lives, or block govt from doing things, but do imagine they will be annoying (more permission banners / cookies popups etc). It would be interesting to look at other count…

I dunno, I mostly agree with you, but I think lately, at least with my family and friends, the coronavirus political response has made many more people much more skeptical about centralized authority figures.

The narrative that is commonly recounted is that it's obvious that the people in authority are either incredibly incompetent or crazily power-hungry, and both are leading many of my family and friends to question everything. I mean total normies who are otherwise just typical taxpayers.

It's funny in a Kafka kinda way to witness the slow erosion of trust in institutions.

Don't get me wrong, I love institutions. Just seems to me and basically everyone I know that the people who should know the most about how trust is built, do everything possible to kill off that trust.

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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There's Trackbook for Android. It records locally to a GPX file and also has the option to use GPS only. https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.y20k.trackbook/ https://github.com/y20k/trackbook

Anything on Android is totally moot. You can "turn off locations" but you don't know if it has. It also has a dozen other ways to track you when correlated with others, such as inertial, wifi, cell cgi, audio, magnetic, bluetooth, optical, pressure, etc; some of which are in the baseband and inaccessible to the OS. You can keep it in a faraday bag but it can still record and upload later. Same thing could be said abo…

I don't carry a phone. Partly for security, and partly because for 26 years (fed) I was required to carry one. Of course early in my career I had a pager. Every fucking day for 26 years.

The phone I do use I bricked for all activity save voice and text: it sits on my kitchen table and there it stays. The upshot is that my phones are inexpensive, Certainly most people with jobs cannot afford to be out of touch and I understand it is a luxury to be un-tethered. However, my position in fed security and CI drove home the point: If you are connected with a cell phone, you're going to get pwned. The level of pwnage is directly proportional to your status and employer.

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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Don't put it on a computer, don't say it within earshot of a computer, and don't have it visible to any computer's camera: getting pretty impossible to follow this advice.

> Don't put it on a computer, don't say it within earshot of a computer, and don't have it visible to any computer's camera: getting pretty impossible to follow this advice. I predict an increase in the number of golfers and boat enthusiasts in my lifetime.

Boats are increasingly tracked by satellites.

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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Which do you think is more important? An innocent person being able to prove their innocence, or a criminal being able to conceal their crimes? The entire millenium-old body of law surrounding what rights you have when dealing with the police exists in order to protect the innocent, not the guilty. Things like warrants don't exist to make it impossible for the police to do their work. They exist to make it so that th…

>or a criminal being able to conceal their crimes? What if I made something that you like to do illegal? Now you are a criminal concealing their crimes. Now your tech works against you and you must comply. I absolutely agree with erring on the side of letting criminals get away with more if it means preserving privacy. No alibi safety net is worth trading away your privacy.

> What if I made something that you like to do illegal?

Pointless red herring. For any law, we can find someone that doesn't like it. Building an argument about police powers from that is building on quicksand.

Unless you mean to do away with law, and the concept of crime in general.

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