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The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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post #103

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> I use a trained neural network I keep between my ears... Recall is sometimes fuzzy with age, but it works well enough, and I don't have to worry about external queries violating my various rights nearly as much as with tech companies. I don't understand the point you're making (unless you're being snarky.) You recognize that most other users of Google Location History can do the same? > My first question, though, w…

> I don't understand the point you're making (unless you're being snarky.) I am. I'm referring to my brain in a "tech industry buzzword" way. It is, technically speaking, a trained neural network. Just a biological one, not a silicon/code based one. I happen to like it, and it can also do things like tell the difference between a low moon in the sky through a smoke haze and a traffic light. > Another way of framing i…

Right, and I think OP (or at least myself) agrees with the points you've made, which is why they seem to be trying strike a balance between gaining the advantages of Location History, but keeping that data to themselves and outside the Google umbrella, and thus want to understand how to do it.

I view it similarly as others looking at methods to self-host their photo backup with timeline indexing and searching, etc.

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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I remember that story about Zachary McCoy. This whole thing continues to get worse quick and will continue to get worse. I know people say we need legislation and regulation on data privacy and tech companies which we do. But before that gets taken seriously (at least in the US) it's going to take something real scandalous done by tech companies and actually affect the common folk where they actually start to care. R…

What about raising money to buy a bunch of data from, say, the Washington, D.C. area and then de-anonymizing it. I wonder what we'd learn...

I really doubt legislation would come into effect. Instead, the people organizing the effort will be hunted down, prosecuted, and turned into examples of what happens when you try to fuck with people in high level government positions.

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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post #13

I've always had the habit of keeping Location services turned off while not in use, to conserve my phone's battery. Guess it's a privacy requisite now. I also remember having a habit of keeping mobile data off during the 3G days. Guess it's not feasible anymore.

That does practically nothing for your privacy, because you're still connected to the base station tower which keeps logs of your phone roaming between base stations. And in more populated areas, the base stations are dense enough to be pretty accurate about where you were. Requests for cell tower log dumps are very common these days. The solution here is for governments to ban this kind of bulk data requests without…

>The solution here is for governments to ban this kind of bulk data requests without warrant and not for you to fight a losing battle against your own police force.

That and a faraday bag.

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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1. Turn off Google location history. 2. Disable all Google apps' access to your location. 3. Disable Android's "high accuracy location" if possible in your Android version. This little snitch collects terrifyingly precise "anonymized" location information fused with device sensors. Do not accept surveillance in the name of convenience. And don't let Google normalize even more intrusion into our lives. Don't use their…

And whenever you sign into any Google app or service, delete all Google cookies afterwards, to prevent the automatic shared sign-in into Google Search. Fuck that scummy pattern really.

I actually prefer auto-sign in. I don’t want to do the whole 2-factor rigmarole in a dozen different apps. Perhaps they can make it an option though.

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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Its only a matter of time before the wrong people get their hands on all the data that big tech has been unscrupulously mining for years now. An authoritarian's wet dream. Im typically a minimal regulation kind of guy but these orgs have consistently demonstrated that without some sort of effective privacy regulation, modern tech companies simply do not have enough incentive to self-regulate with respect to data coll…

This has already happened. A catholic newspaper bought commercial location and app data and used it to out a gay priest who was forced to resign. They broke the joke "privacy protections" by knowing his home, office, and a conference he went to. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/07/catholic-priest-...

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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post #129

1. Turn off Google location history. 2. Disable all Google apps' access to your location. 3. Disable Android's "high accuracy location" if possible in your Android version. This little snitch collects terrifyingly precise "anonymized" location information fused with device sensors. Do not accept surveillance in the name of convenience. And don't let Google normalize even more intrusion into our lives. Don't use their…

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Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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post #150

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I use Google location sharing with my partner so we know where the other person is. Is owntracks a replacement for that by any chance?

I'd hope not. We should normalize less surveillance, not more.

How is it surveillance when two consenting adults share their location with each other using a self hosted service?

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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post #150

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I'd hope not. We should normalize less surveillance, not more.

How is it surveillance when two consenting adults share their location with each other using a self hosted service?

Yeah, knowing my SO's location is super important for multiple reasons imo... Primarily safety and knowing how long it will take to get back from someplace (or how long I can keep messing around with stuff at home). I'm sure there's other valid reasons but kinda just provides me peace of mind.

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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does it work both ways? can i present this data as an alibi when i need one? if its not deemed accurate for that why would it be considered for evidence? and if it is that seems like free alibis for everyone guilty or not ;)

Which do you think is more important? Needing to present an alibi in the case of you being wrongly accused? Or needing to conceal your actions in a world where something new has been made illegal?
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