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Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by Someone1234 »

rejectfinite wrote: post #53
Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

>UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. This is good. mmc.exe and its apps is used for actual work in IT.

I get it but mmc and services still lack basic features like filter/search, which is a daily pain point for me.

Is the service named "Microsoft [thing]" "Windows [Thing]" or just plain old "[Thing]" (e.g. "Microsoft Defender Antivirus Service," "Windows Defender Advanced Threat Protection Service," or "Security Center")?

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by lostmsu »

beebeepka wrote: post #18

I have a couple of almost identical Ryzen 3700x machines. One has an Nvidia card, the other has a radeon 5700. One runs Ubuntu, the other is Manjaro. The Radeon was barely usable for anything vulkan until well into 2020. Even Valve's own Half-Life: Alyx needed a month until it was just as good on Linux It is Q4 2021 now and can't remember the last time I felt the need to boot from my windows SSD. My wife used to be a…

Windows is still superior if you do anything on GPU beyond UI. Linux desktop basically freezes when GPU is at 100% load. It's like Win98/Me and CPU before 2000.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#93

Post by GoblinSlayer »

heurisko wrote: post #33
Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

I was trying to check Disk Partitions on Windows 10, so typed this into the search. It gave me a website with some freeware tool. I had to search around again until I found the actual system tool. I don't know what a regular user would have done. I'm not really a Windows user.

It's diskmgmt.msc, you can just run it the unix way.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#94

Post by alkonaut »

cogman10 wrote: post #64
userbinator wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.

This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI? Nobody wants that! Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you. What I, and probably non-power users want out of windows is for it to be faster and use less power. I'd honestly be happy to go back to a Win95 interface with the latest kernel. Microsoft needs to fi…

> It's not broke, stop trying to fix it.

There could have been better ways to keep it modern, but just leaving everything alone because “it works” isn’t really an option. First comes Unicode, then 4K/High-dpi scaling, then touch support and so on.

Once high DPI screens arrived, UIs that scaled poorly literally don’t work.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by aseipp »

bananabiscuit wrote: post #80

What if they lock the next version of DirectX behind Windows 11?

That's how it's worked forever, basically; Windows 10 was the minimum requirement for DX12 and Vista with DX11 before that, with 6-7 year time gaps. The APIs also evolved slowly and incrementally with features between those years, but I don't think all of them were available in every operating system. DirectStorage for instance (allowing P2P DMA between your GPU and SSD) is only going to be available in Windows 11 apparently. So when/if they release DirectX13, yes, it will surely be Windows 11 only.

Speaking from personal PC gaming experience though, I don't expect this to be some major blocker, based on my experience with DirectX12 uptake in games today 5-6 years after it was introduced (it's not high outside of AAA titles, and all of them have fallbacks/alt renderers.) Not to mention the fact Windows 11 will only work on very recent hardware, so you might as well just target the "old" APIs for a good while and have a vastly larger userbase. I don't plan on upgrading for a bit and I don't think I'll miss much, game-wise, in the mean time.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#96

Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

GiorgioG wrote: post #76
cogman10 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI? Nobody wants that! Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you. What I, and probably non-power users want out of windows is for it to be faster and use less power. I'd honestly be happy to go back to a Win95 interface with the latest kernel. Microsoft needs to fi…

> Why do they keep messing with the UI? UX folks don't get paid to leave things alone.

Nobody gets paid to leave things alone and maybe that's a big problem with the world.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by alkonaut »

gjvc wrote: post #83
userbinator wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Also known as "the good part"... Everything else about Windows UI since then has only gotten less usable and more hostile.

> and UI elements that haven't been updated since Windows 2K. Windows 2K + cleartype would be perfect.

Plus individual screen dpi scaling from whenever that was. And the usb handling from win10. Oh and the audio device switcher is so much better in w10 than w7.

Actually people seem to focus a lot on UX but in terms of the core features (handling my hardware and managing processes) windows has improved a lot. I also fondly remember win2k but I think it would be absolutely awful to use now.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#98

Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

heurisko wrote: post #33
Someone1234 wrote: post #21

Windows 11 is half-baked. But it isn't just half-baked because it was rushed out while ignoring all the feedback (although it absolutely was). It is also half-baked because Microsoft's management has no particular strategy or plan for what they want Windows to be. So Windows 11 just feels like an "and kitchen sink" where someone picked up an iPad, noted down a bunch of random features without rhyme or reason and then…

I was trying to check Disk Partitions on Windows 10, so typed this into the search. It gave me a website with some freeware tool. I had to search around again until I found the actual system tool. I don't know what a regular user would have done. I'm not really a Windows user.

It is still available by right-clicking on the start button. This will almost certainly go away in 11, because MS hates us.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

#99

Post by toiletfuneral »

GiorgioG wrote: post #76
cogman10 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what drives me nuts. Why do they keep messing with the UI? Nobody wants that! Even Apple and Google have both figured out that screwing around with UX every release is a recipe for making your customers HATE you. What I, and probably non-power users want out of windows is for it to be faster and use less power. I'd honestly be happy to go back to a Win95 interface with the latest kernel. Microsoft needs to fi…

> Why do they keep messing with the UI? UX folks don't get paid to leave things alone.

I’ve been doing UI for 20+ years and most of what I’ve worked on is determined by marketing & engineering. I understand & totally sympathize with not liking the results, but in my experience the designers rarely choose what (ui) problems need to get solved. Also I have never worked in an org that shipped “the design”, it’s inevitably compromised by high level management’s personal feelings or lack of engineering attention to detail (I don’t blame eng’s for this, anytime the project schedule gets tight, they immediately cut resources to UI/UX). Anyway, I agree most updated UI’s fail to deliver improvements to end users and let me tell you how shitty it feels to take the blame for stuff you didn’t like either.

Re: Windows 11: Just say no

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Post by genewitch »

watermelon0 wrote: post #72
heurisko wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was trying to check Disk Partitions on Windows 10, so typed this into the search. It gave me a website with some freeware tool. I had to search around again until I found the actual system tool. I don't know what a regular user would have done. I'm not really a Windows user.

I've needed it enough time that I won't ever forget "diskmgmt.msc" command, and AFAIK it works since Windows XP. I'm not really sure what's so problematic with searching settings, but other platforms I use (macOS, iOS) are not really much better in this regard.

mmc.exe and you can snap-in diskmgmt, and it will save that in the menu for next time.

Since diskmgmt is mmc with that snap in already snapped in.

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