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Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by pletsch »

epse wrote: post #98
idiotsecant wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it reprehensible only when it impacts you or is it still reprehensible when it's blocking hundreds of spam messages a day you might otherwise be receiving?

Surely there are better ways to reduce spam than blocking entire TLDs? I also think it's the silent, unfixable nature that annoys most people. Email spam goes into your spam box, where you can still access it. You can mark email as not being spam. No such luck here

Email providers absolutely block email, its the edge cases that make your spam folder.

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by samspenc »

mhh__ wrote: post #91
schleck8 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> which seemed appropriate for a non-commercial math site They are used by large cooperations too. The Alphabet domain is abc.xyz. Science Corp's is science.xyz.

I didn't know about abc.xyz, that's a really nice URL

Quite likely only investors in Google / Alphabet stock know that site and have it bookmarked because that's where Alphabet publishes its quarterly earnings. I also guess for the same reason, it only gets significant traffic once a quarter during earnings season.

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by seph-reed »

duskwuff wrote: post #77
krono wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocking of messages/emails and blanket email server/domain/extension blacklisting is the same as a postal service not delivering mail to or from a particular entity/street/town. Doing so silently and without a valid and case-specific reason should not be legally allowed. Edit: Added "street/town" to analogy, and "case-specific" before reason

You'd be getting an unbelievable amount of SMS spam if carriers weren't allowed to block messages. There's a lot of bad actors out there.

So put it in a spam folder.

If I had a spam texts folder that showed me everything I was being blocked from, I'd both appreciate it and not feel this massive breach of trust that things being sent to me are being completely ignored by a third party system.

The system that does this is absolutely primed for censorship, and we have no way to know it's not being used.

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by rileyphone »

tombert wrote: post #27

I was pretty excited when ICANN opened up a bunch of new domain extensions, but it does sometimes feel like "all these extensions are great if you don't plan on using them". It was pretty cool that I managed to buy a bunch of domains like . , but to be honest I really don't see myself using my .blackfriday domain for anything. For that matter, I think that (somewhat ironically) `my-last-name.email` would not be taken…

I use `.art` and have had no problems thus far.

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by foofoo4u »

humanistbot wrote: post #2

> One surprising side effect of having a .xyz domain is that the mere inclusion of .xyz inside of a text message will result in a silent delivery failure for many providers. This is wild to me. Tested it out myself and I couldn't send an SMS with a spot.xyz link to/from Google Voice T-Mobile. And no "failed delivery" notice either, just a silent failure. And yet I still get so many texts that are obviously spam or ph…

A lot of systems block anything by default that isn't standard. For example, if you happen to own a domain to serve as your email that doesn't end in .com, .edu, .gov, then many systems will instantly invalidate you saying you don't have a valid email when in reality you do. A lot of companies or programmers don't seem to realize that its 2021 where we have hundreds of domain extensions to choose from.

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by thaumasiotes »

pletsch wrote: post #131
epse wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely there are better ways to reduce spam than blocking entire TLDs? I also think it's the silent, unfixable nature that annoys most people. Email spam goes into your spam box, where you can still access it. You can mark email as not being spam. No such luck here

Email providers absolutely block email, its the edge cases that make your spam folder.

> its the edge cases that make your spam folder.

Well, from their perspective. Not from any reasonable perspective; I have a few obviously-spam emails in my gmail spam folder right now, but I've had plenty of problems with gmail refusing to deliver completely legitimate email to me.

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by duskwuff »

seph-reed wrote: post #133
duskwuff wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd be getting an unbelievable amount of SMS spam if carriers weren't allowed to block messages. There's a lot of bad actors out there.

So put it in a spam folder. If I had a spam texts folder that showed me everything I was being blocked from, I'd both appreciate it and not feel this massive breach of trust that things being sent to me are being completely ignored by a third party system. The system that does this is absolutely primed for censorship, and we have no way to know it's not being used.

> So put it in a spam folder.

1) Neither the SMS protocol nor any phone I've ever seen has any mechanism to file messages in "folders".

2) Processing SMS messages and delivering them to subscribers has a cost. Doing so for high-volume junk messages would place a significant burden on carriers.

3) Most carriers used to charge subscribers for receiving SMS messages. Some still do! Charging subscribers to receive spam SMS messages would be, quite rightly, called out as inappropriate.

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by devoutsalsa »

foofoo4u wrote: post #137
humanistbot wrote: post #2

> One surprising side effect of having a .xyz domain is that the mere inclusion of .xyz inside of a text message will result in a silent delivery failure for many providers. This is wild to me. Tested it out myself and I couldn't send an SMS with a spot.xyz link to/from Google Voice T-Mobile. And no "failed delivery" notice either, just a silent failure. And yet I still get so many texts that are obviously spam or ph…

A lot of systems block anything by default that isn't standard. For example, if you happen to own a domain to serve as your email that doesn't end in .com, .edu, .gov, then many systems will instantly invalidate you saying you don't have a valid email when in reality you do. A lot of companies or programmers don't seem to realize that its 2021 where we have hundreds of domain extensions to choose from.

I had a .ninja domain for a while, and I had to contact a certain DNS provide to add support for that TLD. They were very responsive, but I still had to ask.
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