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The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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I use a trained neural network I keep between my ears... Recall is sometimes fuzzy with age, but it works well enough, and I don't have to worry about external queries violating my various rights nearly as much as with tech companies. At this point, I think every piece of modern consumer electronics ought to be considered hostile until proven benign. I've worked with enough of them over the years, on different ends,…

I recently set my google location history to auto-delete. At first I wanted to keep it recording my location history forever because "just in case" I needed to know where I was for something that was extremely unimportant. Overall, I've looked at it only handful of times over the many years it has been running so in the end it really helps Google more than it helps me. I might even just turn it off completely. I'm sl…

Do we have reason to believe that auto-delete means anything other than "hide it from me, please?"

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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Do you want a self-hosted location tracker because you don't want someone else tracking you? Because it's not going to help. Your cell company knows where you are at all times, and even with location turned off, your OS is reporting enough information to either Google or Apple at all times to know where you are to within a few feet.

That's not true: when location is turned off, location is turned off. Apple still has a loophole where turning off Bluetooth doesn't turn off Bluetooth, but location should be "fixed"

Your cell phone company knows the tower you are talking to and probably which (directional) antenna you are talking to. Antennas are in the process of getting a lot more directional with 5G, so they'll soon go from trivially being able to track you within a block or two to within a meter or two.

It's not great.

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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Is there a self hosted app to track your location? I use Google maps to keep granular history so I can use it later for whatever. But if I could self host that’d be better.

I use a trained neural network I keep between my ears... Recall is sometimes fuzzy with age, but it works well enough, and I don't have to worry about external queries violating my various rights nearly as much as with tech companies. At this point, I think every piece of modern consumer electronics ought to be considered hostile until proven benign. I've worked with enough of them over the years, on different ends,…

> I use a trained neural network I keep between my ears... Recall is sometimes fuzzy with age, but it works well enough, and I don't have to worry about external queries violating my various rights nearly as much as with tech companies.

I don't understand the point you're making (unless you're being snarky.) You recognize that most other users of Google Location History can do the same?

> My first question, though, would be "Why?" What value do you get out of tracking your location with any great detail that self hosting it would be of much value?

Another way of framing is what utility Location History can provide to users. Some use cases are casual ("Where did I go exactly on this trip two years ago?", "Where did I eat when I was in X city 9 months ago?", etc) while other people have personal uses for it: https://towardsdatascience.com/analyzing-my-google-location-...

> However, various cheap GPS loggers and Google Earth import probably would do a lot of what you're looking for.

That would probably work, as well perhaps another OSM-based mapping application. I don't know the value of all that extra metadata which is computed though (as highlighted in the above article).

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you want a self-hosted location tracker because you don't want someone else tracking you? Because it's not going to help. Your cell company knows where you are at all times, and even with location turned off, your OS is reporting enough information to either Google or Apple at all times to know where you are to within a few feet.

That's not true: when location is turned off, location is turned off. Apple still has a loophole where turning off Bluetooth doesn't turn off Bluetooth, but location should be "fixed"

Cell phone towers can still track you, unless you don't have a SIM card.

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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> As it stands, true privacy is relegated to the technologically elite, the truly paranoid, or those that can pay to play. I would love for that to change, but unfortunately that's the current state of affairs. Or the broke who can't afford the devices now more and more used against us. Or those who are willing to forgo the conveniences of such devices in exchange for privacy. Or, simply for the sanity of not having…

I know someone from school who is a fairly senior manager at one of the FAANGs. He only got a cell phone in the first place because he and his wife adopted and the nanny insisted. I know he has a company-issued smartphone now. Don't know if his personal phone is a smartphone by now or if he's still using a flip phone of some sort.

This is another thing rarely talked about that's quite common - people really high up in the tech companies don't use the stuff.

Remember, when Steve Jobs' biographer asked him what his kids thought about the iPad, his response was, "They haven't used it." You're more likely to find the "cellphone free" group among high level tech execs and such.

Why is that? It's worth pondering.

I know more and more people, deeply in tech professionally, who are opting out of it in their personal life, across the board. They know what it can do, they've seen it, may have worked on older versions of it, and simply want no part of it anymore.

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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Is there a self hosted app to track your location? I use Google maps to keep granular history so I can use it later for whatever. But if I could self host that’d be better.

I use OwnTracks, it's opensource and available for both iOS and Android. You can configure a custom https endpoint and then your devices will ping the endpoint when there's significant movement.

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Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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Is there a self hosted app to track your location? I use Google maps to keep granular history so I can use it later for whatever. But if I could self host that’d be better.

I use a trained neural network I keep between my ears... Recall is sometimes fuzzy with age, but it works well enough, and I don't have to worry about external queries violating my various rights nearly as much as with tech companies. At this point, I think every piece of modern consumer electronics ought to be considered hostile until proven benign. I've worked with enough of them over the years, on different ends,…

But, but this is the only way to deliver consumer products. This is profitable for corporations and shareholders and users have "nothing to hide" and love it.

Did you realize that the world is a step away from total Panopticon (https://shorturl.at/mCJK2).

The "digital natives" don't care at all. The "millenials" are just ignorant. The "X-ers" are fighting to stay relevant and "young". The "boomers" are screaming from the trenches, but the echo is responding with the usual "OK. Boomer".

It is over. This is the Great Reset, created by Davos Elites and embraced by Corporations, Governments and "modern" people of the world.

This is the direct result of corrupted societies which abandoned classical education and liberal arts long time ago.

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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Disclaimer: I'm a Googler, but thankfully not dealing with any of this. Well, it won't stop the police. But the accuracy is lower, increasing the number of people that match the geofence. That changes the cost-benefit of asking for such a warrant.

It might be just my eastern european paranoia, but this just makes it easier for the authorities to put you into a place they want you to be, not harder.

I'm sure they can think up an excuse to not let you use your own location data.

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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Tricky to use e.g. Google's Waze then.

So don't. Check traffic before you depart, pick a route, and leave some extra time in case you hit unexpected traffic. I know I've been going on about it lately, but for almost every "How can we possibly do this without an app tracking every bit of data it possibly can?" sort of task, people were doing that, or something functionally equivalent, before cell phones, or on cell phones that aren't actively user-hostile.

Checking traffic before you depart also leaks your location, as well as your intended path of travel.

Re: The new warrant: how US police mine Google for your location and search history

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I recently set my google location history to auto-delete. At first I wanted to keep it recording my location history forever because "just in case" I needed to know where I was for something that was extremely unimportant. Overall, I've looked at it only handful of times over the many years it has been running so in the end it really helps Google more than it helps me. I might even just turn it off completely. I'm sl…

Do we have reason to believe that auto-delete means anything other than "hide it from me, please?"

I believe according to their privacy policy and from past press statements deleting the data does trigger a real wipe of the data but I think there is a up to 30 day delay (not sure exactly) (wiping data from thousands of servers is actually kind of difficult).

If your threat level is NSA/nation state then this isn't good enough since they probably could get a copy before Google deletes it but it is probably enough to be useless for low level LE.

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