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India’s caste system remains entrenched, 75 years after independence

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Re: India’s caste system remains entrenched, 75 years after independence

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WangComputers wrote: post #34
1cvmask wrote: post #2

Old habits die hard. We abolished slavery and then replaced it with Jim Crow laws: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws We have the biggest concentration camps in the world for primarily people of color. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_... https://www.aclu.org/issues/smart-justice/mass-incarceration “ Despite making up close to 5% of the global population, the U.S. has nearly 25% of…

"One out of every three Black boys born today can expect to go to prison in his lifetime" You're literally repeating a White-Nationalist talking point Disgusting

I think it would be as you say if it included "because of race". But it sounded more like it implied "because of systemic racism/classism"

Re: India’s caste system remains entrenched, 75 years after independence

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woodpanel wrote: post #35
newsclues wrote: post #25

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I look at western society with a fairly rigid class system (wealthy, middle and poor classes) that doesn’t get talked about but it’s very real.

Huh? I think you've just missed out the last 120 years of western history. I could agree if you've said: It doesn'T get talked about enough. See the newest class-y development: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-masking-of-the-servant-...

I wrote that it doesn’t get talked about which isn’t precise.

It’s largely ignored by most, dismissed or downvoted, and our society tends to pretend it’s not a problem.

Re: India’s caste system remains entrenched, 75 years after independence

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Post by spacemansam »

FabHK wrote: post #12

It's been a while that I've been to India (last millennium...). Back then, the Times of India had pages and pages of lonely hearts ads in the back, or rather, matrimonial ads. They were sorted by caste, though there were two special categories for NRI (Non resident Indians, i.e. expats) and MBA (yes, Master of Business Administration graduates) - they seem to transcend caste. The ads typically specified the industry…

I saw an Indian newspaper in UAE (back in 2009 I believe) with a matrimonial section where people were described as having a "wheatish complexion".

Re: India’s caste system remains entrenched, 75 years after independence

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foolinaround wrote: post #48
vmception wrote: post #18

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The crime self perpetuates by breaking up families (a parent is in prison), using the criminal record to exclude people from jobs leading them to resort to... crimes The nation can collectively pursue different solutions to increase productivity as well as its own domestic security.

you need to dig deeper to find out both the internal and external families as to why black families got broken...

are you sure I'm the one that needs to be convinced of that?

its clear we both would reach the conclusion that a more holistic solution is necessary than incarceration and the associated marginalizing

Re: India’s caste system remains entrenched, 75 years after independence

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Post by silicon2401 »

newsclues wrote: post #52
woodpanel wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? I think you've just missed out the last 120 years of western history. I could agree if you've said: It doesn'T get talked about enough. See the newest class-y development: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-masking-of-the-servant-...

I wrote that it doesn’t get talked about which isn’t precise. It’s largely ignored by most, dismissed or downvoted, and our society tends to pretend it’s not a problem.

I agree that the class issues are given disproportionately little attention compared to other issues like race, despite the fact that a poor white guy with no connections has it way harder than a rich black woman from a family like Thomas Sowell. However I don't know enough about India to say that it's comparable to the US in that regard. At least we can say that they seem to be much more overt in India (based on this discussion). In the US people may have the same requirements of XYZ education and income, but aren't as explicit about it. For example, I would prefer being with someone of similar education and income, but I can imagine exceptions and on top of that, education and income are only parts of what determine class. Again, I don't know enough about India to say how this compares to caste.

Re: India’s caste system remains entrenched, 75 years after independence

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Post by caeril »

baybal2 wrote: post #39
manishsharan wrote: post #14

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I am more optimistic that the caste system will die out within our lifetime. Almost all the younger people I know in India are on dating apps and they are dating people who they would not have met otherwise. I do not know how it is in villages of India , which are stuck in medieval times, but kids in small towns and cities have found sexual liberation in dating apps. If the economy of India improves such that kids ar…

Try Tindering in any big Indian city:) Demands are rather specific: - ICS grade 3, seeking ICS, or a practicing lawyer - MBA Columbia blah blah blah, glads outside top 100 need not apply - Or even simpler: "seeking computer engineer, programmer, Java consultant for marriage" The last almost fell me out of the chair.

Yes, I also find it infuriating that Indians are using Tinder to seek out conscientious partners.

This is definitely worse than the American use-case of Tinder, which focuses on factors of critical importance, such as a great ass and kinky proclivities.

Re: India’s caste system remains entrenched, 75 years after independence

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silicon2401 wrote: post #56
newsclues wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wrote that it doesn’t get talked about which isn’t precise. It’s largely ignored by most, dismissed or downvoted, and our society tends to pretend it’s not a problem.

I agree that the class issues are given disproportionately little attention compared to other issues like race, despite the fact that a poor white guy with no connections has it way harder than a rich black woman from a family like Thomas Sowell. However I don't know enough about India to say that it's comparable to the US in that regard. At least we can say that they seem to be much more overt in India (based on thi…

I wasn’t making a comparison.

I’m just pointing out that in the west, class is almost a verboten discussion.

Re: India’s caste system remains entrenched, 75 years after independence

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

newsclues wrote: post #58
silicon2401 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that the class issues are given disproportionately little attention compared to other issues like race, despite the fact that a poor white guy with no connections has it way harder than a rich black woman from a family like Thomas Sowell. However I don't know enough about India to say that it's comparable to the US in that regard. At least we can say that they seem to be much more overt in India (based on thi…

I wasn’t making a comparison. I’m just pointing out that in the west, class is almost a verboten discussion.

In France it isn't.

We have a strong class system, based on location and studies that is being eroded by the tech industry.

Talking about it, making fun of it, or openly acknowledging it is the norm.

Re: India’s caste system remains entrenched, 75 years after independence

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Post by bsanr2 »

caeril wrote: post #57
baybal2 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try Tindering in any big Indian city:) Demands are rather specific: - ICS grade 3, seeking ICS, or a practicing lawyer - MBA Columbia blah blah blah, glads outside top 100 need not apply - Or even simpler: "seeking computer engineer, programmer, Java consultant for marriage" The last almost fell me out of the chair.

Yes, I also find it infuriating that Indians are using Tinder to seek out conscientious partners. This is definitely worse than the American use-case of Tinder, which focuses on factors of critical importance, such as a great ass and kinky proclivities.

The rough analog to caste in America is race, and you'd better believe that it influences Tinder matches. So, yeah, it's pretty bad here too.
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