India vedas talk about “varna” - class system based on ability & skills, not caste system. Modern Indian caste system was introduced by British to divide and conquer. Economist with a long history of Hindu phobia and in the vein of colonial British rake it up every now and then. Caste comes from Spanish casta, no equivalent term exists in sanskrit for this.
India’s caste system remains entrenched, 75 years after independence
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Re: India’s caste system remains entrenched, 75 years after independence
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am more optimistic that the caste system will die out within our lifetime. Almost all the younger people I know in India are on dating apps and they are dating people who they would not have met otherwise. I do not know how it is in villages of India , which are stuck in medieval times, but kids in small towns and cities have found sexual liberation in dating apps. If the economy of India improves such that kids ar…
Try Tindering in any big Indian city:) Demands are rather specific: - ICS grade 3, seeking ICS, or a practicing lawyer - MBA Columbia blah blah blah, glads outside top 100 need not apply - Or even simpler: "seeking computer engineer, programmer, Java consultant for marriage" The last almost fell me out of the chair.
Do you fit the requirements?
Re: India’s caste system remains entrenched, 75 years after independence
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am more optimistic that the caste system will die out within our lifetime. Almost all the younger people I know in India are on dating apps and they are dating people who they would not have met otherwise. I do not know how it is in villages of India , which are stuck in medieval times, but kids in small towns and cities have found sexual liberation in dating apps. If the economy of India improves such that kids ar…
Try Tindering in any big Indian city:) Demands are rather specific: - ICS grade 3, seeking ICS, or a practicing lawyer - MBA Columbia blah blah blah, glads outside top 100 need not apply - Or even simpler: "seeking computer engineer, programmer, Java consultant for marriage" The last almost fell me out of the chair.
Re: India’s caste system remains entrenched, 75 years after independence
#44> The forebears of nearly two-thirds of India’s Catholics are Dalits who converted to escape stigma. Yet among four cardinals and 31 archbishops, only two are of Dalit origin. (Rest of it aside) that specifically doesn't seem necessarily that bad? If many of them aren't exactly devout Catholics ('converted to escape') then it seems reasonable they wouldn't (perhaps even want to!) reach high office. And there's perhap…
This is especially true of non-Dalits but still lower castes.
The reality however is that the person is still shunned in their tight social circles.
So, for such individuals (and I know personally of many) -- they do not change their names, in fact they do not even marry by Christian traditions publicly because they may get outed.
There really is no number of how many such 'secret Christians' are there, but I would guess this number will be in the lakhs...
Re: India’s caste system remains entrenched, 75 years after independence
#45India vedas talk about “varna” - class system based on ability & skills, not caste system. Modern Indian caste system was introduced by British to divide and conquer. Economist with a long history of Hindu phobia and in the vein of colonial British rake it up every now and then. Caste comes from Spanish casta, no equivalent term exists in sanskrit for this.
Re: India’s caste system remains entrenched, 75 years after independence
#46> The forebears of nearly two-thirds of India’s Catholics are Dalits who converted to escape stigma. Yet among four cardinals and 31 archbishops, only two are of Dalit origin. (Rest of it aside) that specifically doesn't seem necessarily that bad? If many of them aren't exactly devout Catholics ('converted to escape') then it seems reasonable they wouldn't (perhaps even want to!) reach high office. And there's perhap…
What you say makes sense. But some of these people are really poor. Among the "racist" people in the US, many are actually "classist". That also runs high in Indian society. In my experience Christians are much more forward thinking and secular than other minorities in India. They live peacefully and blend very well with the Hindus. Even most of their names, outside of Goa, Mumbai, etc., are derived from Sanskrit, Ta…
Sadly, not by much.
Indian Christians have adopted many of the vices of the West ( the rates of divorce among Indian Christians are higher than Indians), but in terms of a broader outlook, I have seen this only in the sub-category of those living in big cities, and predominantly english-speaking and educated.
The Christians in rural areas continue to hold on to caste, despite all efforts. In some ways, the Church structures themselves are casteist, and bar people from being part of it.
Re: India’s caste system remains entrenched, 75 years after independence
#47their progeny continue to reap the benefits at the cost of the rest of their own caste members. This segment actually rules India - the Brahmins continue to hang in there, but don't really rule at the top, though they are there.
A good example if you look is the Tamil Nadu government - primarily run by folk from castes who were at the forefront of the social reformation, but were not really low castes to begin with. Now, with power for nearly a century, they have strengthened their grips tighter.
Re: India’s caste system remains entrenched, 75 years after independence
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
It would definitely be nice if we had less crime. Anyway, this is not relates to the article. Go preach somewhere else.
The crime self perpetuates by breaking up families (a parent is in prison), using the criminal record to exclude people from jobs leading them to resort to... crimes The nation can collectively pursue different solutions to increase productivity as well as its own domestic security.
Re: India’s caste system remains entrenched, 75 years after independence
#49Old habits die hard. We abolished slavery and then replaced it with Jim Crow laws: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws We have the biggest concentration camps in the world for primarily people of color. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_... https://www.aclu.org/issues/smart-justice/mass-incarceration “ Despite making up close to 5% of the global population, the U.S. has nearly 25% of…
Re: India’s caste system remains entrenched, 75 years after independence
#50This is a real risk when working with offshore teams in India. We had to get involved in the interview process multiple times as the talent is absolutely there. But left to their own devices a lot of the sites ended up hiring friends or "cousins". I'm not sure if that came down to Caste or just "you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours" but it was far from meritocratic.
There are times when a client selected person is not taken in but the reason has never been what you have described.
Please do not generalise.