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Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by tpoacher »

b3nji wrote: post #88
kmclean wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think your analysis doesn't account for the fact that the majority of double vaccinated people are also at far higher risk of covid to begin with. There was an interesting article about this (Simpson's Paradox, as it's known in the world of data analysis) recently: https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-... -- the overall trend is reversed when the data are grouped properly. The preponderance o…

Propaganda is simply information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view. How else would you explain the fact they used old data? Incompetence? Its clear the vaccines don't prevent much, you still catch, spread, and die from covid after being fully jabbed. This is what the report shows, and unfortunately been seen by myself through frien…

Indeed. I also thought the ad hominem at the end was uncalled-for and unnecessary.

I'm very glad for the vaccine, it allowed me to start acting a bit more like a human again.

But words like "overwhelming" and "fully preventable" are their own kind of evil. Even a risk reduction as high as 90% only means your previous risk is now a tenth of what it was, but not zero or anything close to it.

This means people should still be using other measures to stop the spread, and perhaps words like "overwhelming" and "fully preventable" are enabling cavalier behaviours that are detrimental. One might even go as far as saying that people who enable such detrimental behaviours are a menace to society?

See? It's quite easy to reverse the ad hominem. Best to leave it out of a conversation altogether.

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by freyr »

b3nji wrote: post #88
kmclean wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think your analysis doesn't account for the fact that the majority of double vaccinated people are also at far higher risk of covid to begin with. There was an interesting article about this (Simpson's Paradox, as it's known in the world of data analysis) recently: https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-... -- the overall trend is reversed when the data are grouped properly. The preponderance o…

Propaganda is simply information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view. How else would you explain the fact they used old data? Incompetence? Its clear the vaccines don't prevent much, you still catch, spread, and die from covid after being fully jabbed. This is what the report shows, and unfortunately been seen by myself through frien…

“The PHDA dataset was used in order to calculate the ASMRs by vaccination status and Table 3. One of the main strengths of the linked PHDA is that it combines a rich set of demographic and socio-economic factors from the 2011 Census and 2019 Patient Register with pre-existing conditions based on clinical records. This unique dataset was linked to NIMS and Test and Trace to allow us to analyse how ASMRs differ by vaccination status, when people were infected relative to vaccination, and examine the characteristics of people by vaccination status and infection date.

The PHDA contains data on approximately 79% of the population of England aged 10 years and over and includes 85.9% of all deaths of residents in England that occurred between 2 January 2021 and 2 July 2021 and were registered by 28 July 2021.“

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

rcpt wrote: post #73
b3nji wrote: post #62

This data is out of date. The cut off is July 2nd, it doesn't take into account delta, or the fact not a high amount of people were vaccinated at that point. The most up to date data comes from Public Health England. Public Health England published a report last week which gave us this data for the period of August 9th to September 5th. It shows that of 2,381 deaths in this period, 1,659 or 69.7%, more than two third…

This sounds like Simpson's paradox again: https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-... Anecdotally, my wife has been working covid ICU this month and to her it's not surprising. The people with breakthrough cases apparently have so many comorbidities that it's not surprising at all they'd get vaccinated with high priority but also have an immune system that doesn't do a great job learning new skill…

Also it is very likely that the people with most comorbidities where vaccinated earlier, so have had the longest period of post-vaccination.

So we are likely looking at a sub-group that both has multiple comorbidities _and_ has had the longest period of post-vacination. Even assuming that the decay of effectivenesss is small over time it may be a contributor.

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by NDizzle »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #96
NDizzle wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Death rate from covid, or death rate from heart problems and blood clots in their lungs? As someone (aged 42 years) with grandfathers on both sides that died from heart issues in their late 40s, early 50s, the side effects of the vaccines are more worrisome to me than the virus itself. I'm preparing myself to be excluded from society and yet I've already had covid and recovered from it, because that's not an acceptab…

You do realize the 'bloodclots' issue was with the astrozenica (sp?) vaccine, that was never approved here, and it was with only a handful of cases in women? Your risk of a second, more severe case of covid is *massively* higher than the risk of serious side effects from the vaccine.

What about Jeb Corliss?

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by [deleted] »

rich_sasha wrote: post #78
b3nji wrote: post #62

This data is out of date. The cut off is July 2nd, it doesn't take into account delta, or the fact not a high amount of people were vaccinated at that point. The most up to date data comes from Public Health England. Public Health England published a report last week which gave us this data for the period of August 9th to September 5th. It shows that of 2,381 deaths in this period, 1,659 or 69.7%, more than two third…

Glancing though the report you linked, it says 55-70% reduction in symptomatic disease after 1 dose and more after 2. Higher effectiveness against severe disease, hospitalisation and death. For delta, they quote a 10-15% drop of effectiveness after two/one doses respectively. That seems in line with the “official” line and different to your numbers? Or am I reading you wrong? Another nugget in there is that something…

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Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by human »

distrill wrote: post #131
human wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where I live we have more cases today (twice more) with 82% of people double-vaccinated then we did last year with 0% vaccinated.

Are you suggesting then that vaccines are totally ineffective?

Ineffective at preventing spread yes. Effective at preventing death yes.

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by jozvolskyef »

rich_sasha wrote: post #78
b3nji wrote: post #62

This data is out of date. The cut off is July 2nd, it doesn't take into account delta, or the fact not a high amount of people were vaccinated at that point. The most up to date data comes from Public Health England. Public Health England published a report last week which gave us this data for the period of August 9th to September 5th. It shows that of 2,381 deaths in this period, 1,659 or 69.7%, more than two third…

Glancing though the report you linked, it says 55-70% reduction in symptomatic disease after 1 dose and more after 2. Higher effectiveness against severe disease, hospitalisation and death. For delta, they quote a 10-15% drop of effectiveness after two/one doses respectively. That seems in line with the “official” line and different to your numbers? Or am I reading you wrong? Another nugget in there is that something…

The numbers are in table 5.

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by cinntaile »

rsynnott wrote: post #61
cinntaile wrote: post #19

I wonder how many of those unvaccinated people were people that for some reason could 't be vaccinated? Like immunocompromised patients that already have a higher risk of dying? This seems like an important factor?

UK recommendation was that immunocompromised people be vaccinated; they were prioritised, in fact, so ~all of the immunocompromised people would've been vaccinated for most of the time period.

Ok thanks for the clarification, I was under the impression that immunocompromised people couldn't take the vaccine.

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by cinntaile »

occamrazor wrote: post #71
cinntaile wrote: post #19

I wonder how many of those unvaccinated people were people that for some reason could 't be vaccinated? Like immunocompromised patients that already have a higher risk of dying? This seems like an important factor?

Very important for thise people, but nut much for population statistics. And immunocompromised people can generally be vaccinated, the question which is still open is how effective the vaccine is for them.

I'll have to read up about how it works for immunocompromised people it seems.
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