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Post by andreime »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #326
andreime wrote: post #106

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I'm not defending Facebook and I just had some thoughts reading the quotes and am curious what you think of them. 1. I remember that while growing up fashion magazines, actors/actresses and I want to say peer pressure (but am fearful its incorrect) were a big source of body image issues. 2. Maybe it's a side effect of our society or "normal" to have security issues while growing up. We've been having good childhoods…

Wow, this is such a thoughtful post. I really drummed my fingers thinking of something witty to reply. About #1: From my childhood experience, this is accurate. Youth fashion magazines and network TV from 7PM to 10PM played and outsized role to influence our (small) world view. However, I find it interesting that as social media has exploded, there is parellel movement to reduce digital post processing on models phot…

Thanks!

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Post by bumby »

RhysU wrote: post #670
bumby wrote: post #638

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> kids under 16 go to the schools their parents decide on, live in the neighborhoods their parents decide on, and associated with the kids of their parents friends when they were younger. True, but for most people this is only available within a subset of constrained choices. Parents in rural Appalachia or the rust belt probably aren’t going to have a lot of Phillips Academies to choose from

As a person who grew up in rural Appalachia certainly Phillips was not an option. But, choosing a municipality with an emphasis on the value of education certainly was something my parents actively did. And, we had families across the economic spectrum in my school.

Thanks for weighing in with your experience. I grew up in a dying industrial town in the rust belt and choices were very limited. It might be possible for a slightly better school by moving but it would incur penalties most families couldn’t afford (higher home prices, 2-3 hr round trip commutes etc)

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

mpweiher wrote: post #279
jhardy54 wrote: post #217

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Which studies are your claims based on?

All of them? For an intro: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_attractiveness

For reference, the parent asked what studies support the grandparent's claim. I believe the comment has been deleted by HN algorithm and frankly it makes no sense to me - at least in this case.

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Post by barfingclouds »

raman162 wrote: post #97
GeekyBear wrote: post #58

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Extremist conduct keeps people engaged longer, so they see more ads. Facebook/YouTube/Twitter all exploit the dark side of human nature. They've been doing it for so many years, that it's difficult to imagine that it's unintentional. >in Google’s effort to keep people on its video platform as long as possible, “its algorithm seems to have concluded that people are drawn to content that is more extreme than what they…

These companies are always going to want to hold our attention but it's us at the end of the day who decide to give them our attention. I think as a society we need to prove that we are smarter than these companies and are capable of discipline and self-control. In corporate america, it's hard for me to see any private owned corporation doing what's in best interest for the public versus their own pockets.

We aren’t smarter than these companies. They spend billions of dollars and hire top people in their fields to keep us engaged.

The idea that this is just a lack of willpower on our end is total bs

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Post by barfingclouds »

908B64B197 wrote: post #523
standardUser wrote: post #449

It used to be that if you were queer - in any sense of the word - and lived in one of the countless small, conservative, traditional communities in this country, you were shit out of luck. Now, thanks to the internet, there exists inclusive and positive communities for people of every type of background and experience. This simply did not exist for most people just a few decades ago, but now it's accessible to almost…

> It used to be that if you were queer - in any sense of the word - and lived in one of the countless small, conservative, traditional communities in this country, you were shit out of luck. Doesn't stop at the country's border: Social Media has been a gift to the whole world. And it's not just queers either: just look at the 2011 Arab Spring. Suddenly, people could just get news from their peers, see live videos of…

Facebook is also specifically used in countries to rally violence against ethnic minorities. As in literally assisting genocide. Looking at it with rose colored glasses is missing a lot of the point.

In addition, Arab spring isn’t even a positive example. What have the aftermaths of that been?

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Post by 908B64B197 »

barfingclouds wrote: post #675
908B64B197 wrote: post #523

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> It used to be that if you were queer - in any sense of the word - and lived in one of the countless small, conservative, traditional communities in this country, you were shit out of luck. Doesn't stop at the country's border: Social Media has been a gift to the whole world. And it's not just queers either: just look at the 2011 Arab Spring. Suddenly, people could just get news from their peers, see live videos of…

Facebook is also specifically used in countries to rally violence against ethnic minorities. As in literally assisting genocide. Looking at it with rose colored glasses is missing a lot of the point. In addition, Arab spring isn’t even a positive example. What have the aftermaths of that been?

> Facebook is also specifically used in countries to rally violence against ethnic minorities.

If you banned all accounts from these countries you know what they would do? Switch to something else and keep doing the same thing. It's a cultural problem.

> In addition, Arab spring isn’t even a positive example. What have the aftermaths of that been?

Before the people had dictatorships and a rotten culture. Now they only have a rotten culture. Social networking can't fix every issues...

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Post by GeekyBear »

raman162 wrote: post #97
GeekyBear wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extremist conduct keeps people engaged longer, so they see more ads. Facebook/YouTube/Twitter all exploit the dark side of human nature. They've been doing it for so many years, that it's difficult to imagine that it's unintentional. >in Google’s effort to keep people on its video platform as long as possible, “its algorithm seems to have concluded that people are drawn to content that is more extreme than what they…

These companies are always going to want to hold our attention but it's us at the end of the day who decide to give them our attention. I think as a society we need to prove that we are smarter than these companies and are capable of discipline and self-control. In corporate america, it's hard for me to see any private owned corporation doing what's in best interest for the public versus their own pockets.

>These companies are always going to want to hold our attention but it's us at the end of the day who decide to give them our attention.

These companies are already amplifying content they think will hold our attention, by leaning into people's worst instincts.

>In the fall of 2018, Jonah Peretti, chief executive of online publisher BuzzFeed, emailed a top official at Facebook Inc. The most divisive content that publishers produced was going viral on the platform, he said, creating an incentive to produce more of it.

Mr. Peretti blamed a major overhaul Facebook had given to its News Feed algorithm earlier that year to boost “meaningful social interactions,” or MSI, between friends and family, according to internal Facebook documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal that quote the email.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-algorithm-change-zucke...

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Post by hollerith »

908B64B197 wrote: post #676
barfingclouds wrote: post #675

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Facebook is also specifically used in countries to rally violence against ethnic minorities. As in literally assisting genocide. Looking at it with rose colored glasses is missing a lot of the point. In addition, Arab spring isn’t even a positive example. What have the aftermaths of that been?

> Facebook is also specifically used in countries to rally violence against ethnic minorities. If you banned all accounts from these countries you know what they would do? Switch to something else and keep doing the same thing. It's a cultural problem. > In addition, Arab spring isn’t even a positive example. What have the aftermaths of that been? Before the people had dictatorships and a rotten culture. Now they onl…

What Arab countries that were dictatorships at the start of the Arab Spring are now democracies?

In Syria, 494,438–606,000 died a violent death, 6.6 million became refugees and 6.7 million became internally displaced -- and Syria still has the same dictator.

Are you sure you don't want to concede that the Arab Spring's negative effects outweigh its positive effects?

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Post by 908B64B197 »

hollerith wrote: post #678
908B64B197 wrote: post #676

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Facebook is also specifically used in countries to rally violence against ethnic minorities. If you banned all accounts from these countries you know what they would do? Switch to something else and keep doing the same thing. It's a cultural problem. > In addition, Arab spring isn’t even a positive example. What have the aftermaths of that been? Before the people had dictatorships and a rotten culture. Now they onl…

What Arab countries that were dictatorships at the start of the Arab Spring are now democracies? In Syria, 494,438–606,000 died a violent death, 6.6 million became refugees and 6.7 million became internally displaced -- and Syria still has the same dictator. Are you sure you don't want to concede that the Arab Spring's negative effects outweigh its positive effects?

> What Arab countries that were dictatorships at the start of the Arab Spring are now democracies?

Tunisia.

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Post by atonalfreerider »

atonalfreerider wrote: post #551
voidnullnil wrote: post #503

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>[porn companies] need regulation No, nothing needs regulation. Stop making the internet fucking worse. Can we go back to 2000 now (not that it was good then either since the internet was fundamentally broken already)? This is like the bat shit insane morons who think having a popup about cookies on every page is solving the """privacy""" issue. Literally every single political issue on HN is bogus. Take the ad block…

> nothing needs regulation This is a hyperbolic statement. Even if you are just talking about internet regulation. Let's imagine for a moment that someone invented a hypnosis algorithm and hosted it on a website. Anyone going to this website went into spasms and died in front of their screen. Would we seek protection for our children and for the general public from such a website from internet browser companies, ISPs…

And just like that: Lawmakers Ask Zuckerberg to Drop 'Instagram for Kids' After Report Says App Made Kids Suicidal

https://gizmodo.com/lawmakers-ask-zuckerberg-to-drop-instagr...

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