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Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

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Post by ricardobeat »

coldtea wrote: post #74
notJim wrote: post #52

The flammability of lithium batteries kind of freaks me out. I hope we get to non-flammable batteries soon. Imagine a future where every car in a dense parking garage is lithium BEV, and then one of them catches fire. As far as I know, these fires are extremely difficult to put out, requiring enormous amounts of water. What if the fire spreads to many other cars? I'm not sure if this fear is at all rational. Probably…

> The flammability of lithium batteries kind of freaks me out. On the other hand, around 2035 when most cars are EVs, the Hollywood action movie car "explosions on impact" would finally be a realistic description of actual car behavior.

Of course Hollywood exaggerates for effect, but it's a myth that cars never blow up on impact. There is fuel flowing around and plenty of chances to ignite it. Like this one from today: https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/poskib/speedi...

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

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Post by blondie9x »

Battery scooters, bikes, skateboards, wakeboards, hoverboards, one wheels. I know these make getting around easier but we have a huge obesity problem on our hands. Why can't we help people exercise a bit more and reduce the amount of batteries we are using as substitutes for burning calories?

As for electric cars we need to make sure the software enforces safe charging practices. If there is a safety issue and the software on the vehicles doesn't prevent that behavior it should regardless of features being lost.

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

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Post by travisporter »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #78
tshaddox wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a Bolt owner without a permanent garage spot can manage, then certainly a Bolt owner with a permanent garage spot can manage. The latter has strictly more options than the former.

People who live in an HOA may have a different experience, but if you chose to live somewhere HOA-encumbered, that's on you!

Yeah or because an insane housing market prices you out of a single family home

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

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Post by ksm1717 »

Alupis wrote: post #68
reducesuffering wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This discussion was about the Volt, Chevy's old PHEV (plug in), not the Bolt EV.

My mistake, the article is about the Bolt.

Exactly my point! It’s a shame that the bolt (a car of indiscriminate quality) has been so named as to cause this confusion with the volt, (a car of discriminate quality).

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

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Post by cptskippy »

Alupis wrote: post #50
epistasis wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The panel gaps and misalignment ive seen online for Teslas are still better than the general fit and finish issues that plague every single GM car I been in. Massive chunks of messy rubber foam, obvious joiners, bad internal panels... Maybe Tesla is not as tight as BMW, but it is definitely better than GM.

The Bolt isn't priced like a BMW though, while the Tesla is. Even the Model 3, with it's base price of $35k, runs you around $50k after choosing a color and adding the FSD package. For a $50,000 car, they are really not built well, quality-wise. The Bolt, with every bell and whistle selected, runs about $37,000, for comparison.

> The Bolt isn't priced like a BMW though, while the Tesla is.

But only when you fudge the numbers by including FSD.

> The Bolt, with every bell and whistle selected, runs about $37,000, for comparison.

And still lacks an L2 charger, one comparable to the one included with the Model 3 costs another $1000. So for $38k you can get a vehicle that isn't quite as nice as the base Model 3 for a $3k premium.

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

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Post by taurath »

mabbo wrote: post #79
taurath wrote: post #51

My perception of American designed and engineered vehicles is that they’re really awful, not just from a reliability standpoint but also from a user interface standpoint. GM, Ford, and Chrysler haven’t been building good vehicles in my lifetime - once I switched to Hondas I’ve yet to have any serious engine trouble even in some very old vehicles, whereas every American car I’ve owned has been a money sink. Of course…

> My perception of American designed and engineered vehicles is that they’re really awful, not just from a reliability standpoint but also from a user interface standpoint. For about 18 months in 2017 and 2018, I had a job that had me in a new city every other week. Lot of rental cars. And I started to have very strong preference. I would go out of my way to get a Chevy. Great Android auto integration. Good controls…

I’ll check them out next time I’m looking. Last I drove one it was touchscreen for everything I wanted a dial for, and the IOS integration didn’t work except wired, and then it was also very slow. And of course my experience isn’t universal; it’s really hard to make an attempt to go back though after I’ve had many personal experiences of just faulty electronics and engines to trust a brand again.

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

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Post by nixgeek »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #78
tshaddox wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a Bolt owner without a permanent garage spot can manage, then certainly a Bolt owner with a permanent garage spot can manage. The latter has strictly more options than the former.

People who live in an HOA may have a different experience, but if you chose to live somewhere HOA-encumbered, that's on you!

I wonder if there's a map which shows HOA-encumbered property. Anecdotally, when I searched for a large modern home around Seattle in 2020, there was vanishingly little on the market which was not HOA-encumbered, and so the choice was to accept that, or do and/or between: (i) Worse property for the money (space, finishes, lot, et al.); (ii) Worse neighborhood and area (crime stats, et al.); (iii) Worse commute because you're buying much further out.

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

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Post by philwelch »

gameswithgo wrote: post #85
Animats wrote: post #42

Maybe lithium-ion batteries in mass-market vehicles aren't such a good idea. We may need a battery technology that can survive poor maintenance less than perfect battery construction, and low-cost vehicle designs. Tesla had to put a titanium plate under their battery. That's not a mass-market solution. BYD is converting over to lithium iron phosphate, which is much better behaved when damaged. Toyota is working on so…

The risk of lithium ion fire is very obvious and real. But to decide if this is a problem relative to the current alternatives (gasoline) we would need to compare the rates and severity of fires between the two. Gasoline cars also have complicated parts to help mitigate their fire risk.

I’ve never heard of a gas tank spontaneously bursting into flames.

Re: GM tells some Bolt owners to park 50 feet away from other cars

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Post by Alupis »

cptskippy wrote: post #106
Alupis wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Bolt isn't priced like a BMW though, while the Tesla is. Even the Model 3, with it's base price of $35k, runs you around $50k after choosing a color and adding the FSD package. For a $50,000 car, they are really not built well, quality-wise. The Bolt, with every bell and whistle selected, runs about $37,000, for comparison.

> The Bolt isn't priced like a BMW though, while the Tesla is. But only when you fudge the numbers by including FSD. > The Bolt, with every bell and whistle selected, runs about $37,000, for comparison. And still lacks an L2 charger, one comparable to the one included with the Model 3 costs another $1000. So for $38k you can get a vehicle that isn't quite as nice as the base Model 3 for a $3k premium.

> But only when you fudge the numbers by including FSD.

I don't think this is fudging at all. Tesla's big selling point is the FSD package... and most people select it by default. FSD is nearly all Musk talks about.

In fact, I'd argue it's Tesla fudging the numbers by breaking FSD out into a separate line item, just so they can advertise a cheaper car knowing full well people expect to have FSD for that price.

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