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Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn

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Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn

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Post by dham »

I've been using Open Pilot for the last 3 months (Rav4 Hybrid). I've really enjoyed it a lot on the highways. It also works really well in stop and go traffic.

I'm starting to agree with George Hotz about making driving chill. Highway driving is chill. Stop and go traffic is chill. There's nothing chill about letting a car drive in these situations (pulling out intersections, right hand turn on red, congested streets with people everywhere) and I'm used to my car driving itself. There's nothing chill about your car having unlimited torque on the steering wheel where it can do something gnarly. Making your car do these maneuvers has the opposite effect, making you more stressed rather than taking the stress away.

I'll stick to open pilot for now. I'd rather just drive in these situations. With Tesla FSD you already have to have your hand on the wheel, might as well put your foot on the pedals.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn

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Post by bagels »

codechicago277 wrote: post #20

Remember this is the build that Elon Musk said was almost ready for public release and would “blow your mind”, https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1435967157662150675?s=20 But there have been plenty of failures, and remember that the only people who have the beta are employees who are presumably under an NDA, and devoted fans who have publicly said they don’t want to post the disengagements because critics “take them…

Looks like we are pretty close to robotaxi.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn

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Post by ProAm »

dham wrote: post #41

I've been using Open Pilot for the last 3 months (Rav4 Hybrid). I've really enjoyed it a lot on the highways. It also works really well in stop and go traffic. I'm starting to agree with George Hotz about making driving chill. Highway driving is chill. Stop and go traffic is chill. There's nothing chill about letting a car drive in these situations (pulling out intersections, right hand turn on red, congested streets…

Which version of Open Pilot?

Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn

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Post by dham »

ProAm wrote: post #43
dham wrote: post #41

I've been using Open Pilot for the last 3 months (Rav4 Hybrid). I've really enjoyed it a lot on the highways. It also works really well in stop and go traffic. I'm starting to agree with George Hotz about making driving chill. Highway driving is chill. Stop and go traffic is chill. There's nothing chill about letting a car drive in these situations (pulling out intersections, right hand turn on red, congested streets…

Which version of Open Pilot?

0.8.8 in laneless mode. Comma 2. Decided not to return and get Comma 3 because 2 does everything I need it to do right now.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn

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Post by colechristensen »

ogwh wrote: post #34

Why is everyone freaking out over a beta test with a driver at the wheel ready to take over immediately? It's a beta test, finding bugs is kind of the point. Or have we truly reached the point now where we expect "stable" software to be of the same calibre as beta software so nobody makes a distinction between the two?

Because a car is a life critical system and nobody should want an automated vehicle, even if controlled by a human, to "accidentally" try to run over some humans. I doubt the pilot's ability to stop all missteps before an injury.

The car should be much safer before it goes on the road, regardless of test status. This was a near miss and should be taken extremely seriously by highway safety regulators.

>Or have we truly reached the point now where we expect "stable" software to be of the same calibre as beta software so nobody makes a distinction between the two?

I expect every vehicle on the road to meet a safety standard. I do not accept "beta software" tests on public roads if this is the kind of mistake they can make.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn

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Post by notJim »

jdminhbg wrote: post #5
nodesocket wrote: post #2

2021 Model Y Owner. Hard to tell, but it looks like that street is a one-way heading right which is legal. However, not yielding for pedestrians is no bueno though they were just barely off the sidewalk into the street when it turned.

It's a one-way to the right but there's a no right turn sign on the pillar to the left of the street as you approach it. Not signed great, but still not a legal turn.

I think that sign applies to the left lane only. It's to stop you from turning right from the left lane. I think turning right from the lane the car is in is legal.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn

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Post by modeless »

I believe that it is not illegal to turn right there. Both streets are one way, and the "no right turn" sign is for the lanes to the left of the pillars.

For context, these pillars in the middle of the road are handled poorly by Tesla FSD and this guy is repeatedly stress testing the system by forcing it to drive there, for YouTube videos. The latest FSD build is the first one that actually recognizes the pillars as obstacles; earlier builds would simply plow into them. What I'm speculating happened here is the new obstacle detection failed and decided that the road ahead was blocked, so the path planner decided it had to turn right despite that not tracking the planned route.

As far as the pedestrians, it looks to me like there was plenty of space to turn into the near lane without hitting them, and the pedestrians shouldn't have been starting to cross while the red hand was flashing, but of course a law abiding driver should yield in this situation. I expect many human drivers would choose to turn anyway as long as the pedestrians were far enough away as they appeared to be. But FSD should have stopped.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn

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Post by aclatuts »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #33
Aliabid94 wrote: post #18

If you have to anxiously hover your hands over the wheel constantly like the driver is in this video, is it really helpful even if it doesn't crash? I don't own a Tesla, curious how other drivers are when on Autopilot.

Test driving a Tesla Model 3 with autopilot last year was one of the most stressful experiences I’ve ever had. It’s not at all intuitive, and I had no idea what autopilot would/wouldn’t handle.

It might be worth it for Tesla to build a voice system to tell the driver what manoeuvres the car will be doing soon.

Although implementing might be just as hard as self driving in the first place.

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