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Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn

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Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn

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Post by obilgic »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #25
obilgic wrote: post #3

Misleading/Exaggerated HN title. Not an illegal turn. No turn sign applies to the left lane, and it's a one way street

> Not an illegal turn. [edit] I linked to the law from the wrong state. Here's the right one: https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.305 RCWs > Title 46 > Chapter 46.61 > Section 46.61.305 (1) No person shall turn a vehicle or move right or left upon a roadway unless and until such movement can be made with reasonable safety nor without giving an appropriate signal in the manner hereinafter provided. (2)…

I don't think that is California though..

Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn

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Post by blankobj »

nodesocket wrote: post #14
benjaminjackman wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is sign on the wire near the traffic light that says no turns, not sure if it only applies to the other lane though.

Ahhhhh I see the no right turn sign on the pillar. That is confusing as there are also one-way signs (with arrows pointing to the right) further along. Moral of the story, do you think most humans would do a better job at this intersection than the Tesla did?

That sign in the pillar, if I was driving, I would assume applied to the other lane on the left side of the pillar. I think the intent is to make sure you don't turn left if you are in the right lane of the pillar side, and vice versa.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn

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Post by shepherdjerred »

Aliabid94 wrote: post #18

If you have to anxiously hover your hands over the wheel constantly like the driver is in this video, is it really helpful even if it doesn't crash? I don't own a Tesla, curious how other drivers are when on Autopilot.

Test driving a Tesla Model 3 with autopilot last year was one of the most stressful experiences I’ve ever had. It’s not at all intuitive, and I had no idea what autopilot would/wouldn’t handle.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn

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Post by ogwh »

Why is everyone freaking out over a beta test with a driver at the wheel ready to take over immediately? It's a beta test, finding bugs is kind of the point.

Or have we truly reached the point now where we expect "stable" software to be of the same calibre as beta software so nobody makes a distinction between the two?

Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn

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Post by eightysixfour »

obilgic wrote: post #31
BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not an illegal turn. [edit] I linked to the law from the wrong state. Here's the right one: https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.305 RCWs > Title 46 > Chapter 46.61 > Section 46.61.305 (1) No person shall turn a vehicle or move right or left upon a roadway unless and until such movement can be made with reasonable safety nor without giving an appropriate signal in the manner hereinafter provided. (2)…

I don't think that is California though..

Yes, that's Seattle.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn

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Post by BugsJustFindMe »

obilgic wrote: post #31
BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not an illegal turn. [edit] I linked to the law from the wrong state. Here's the right one: https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.305 RCWs > Title 46 > Chapter 46.61 > Section 46.61.305 (1) No person shall turn a vehicle or move right or left upon a roadway unless and until such movement can be made with reasonable safety nor without giving an appropriate signal in the manner hereinafter provided. (2)…

I don't think that is California though..

You're right! Someone else says it's Seattle, so let's see...

https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.305

RCWs > Title 46 > Chapter 46.61 > Section 46.61.305

(1) No person shall turn a vehicle or move right or left upon a roadway unless and until such movement can be made with reasonable safety nor without giving an appropriate signal in the manner hereinafter provided.

(2) A signal of intention to turn or move right or left when required shall be given continuously during not less than the last one hundred feet traveled by the vehicle before turning.

Do we think that every state in the US doesn't have a similar law?

Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn

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Post by shepherdjerred »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #25
obilgic wrote: post #3

Misleading/Exaggerated HN title. Not an illegal turn. No turn sign applies to the left lane, and it's a one way street

> Not an illegal turn. [edit] I linked to the law from the wrong state. Here's the right one: https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.305 RCWs > Title 46 > Chapter 46.61 > Section 46.61.305 (1) No person shall turn a vehicle or move right or left upon a roadway unless and until such movement can be made with reasonable safety nor without giving an appropriate signal in the manner hereinafter provided. (2)…

This is pedantic. Human drivers routinely don’t use their turn signals.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn

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Post by gruez »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #25
obilgic wrote: post #3

Misleading/Exaggerated HN title. Not an illegal turn. No turn sign applies to the left lane, and it's a one way street

> Not an illegal turn. [edit] I linked to the law from the wrong state. Here's the right one: https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.305 RCWs > Title 46 > Chapter 46.61 > Section 46.61.305 (1) No person shall turn a vehicle or move right or left upon a roadway unless and until such movement can be made with reasonable safety nor without giving an appropriate signal in the manner hereinafter provided. (2)…

Isn't that just "failing to signal a turn"? If you told me someone made an "illegal turn", I'd think they made right on a intersection with a non right turn sign.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn

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Post by yakkityyak »

Aliabid94 wrote: post #18

If you have to anxiously hover your hands over the wheel constantly like the driver is in this video, is it really helpful even if it doesn't crash? I don't own a Tesla, curious how other drivers are when on Autopilot.

The cognitive load of using FSD in a city honestly seems more than driving yourself. The car is no longer an extension of yourself, where you navigate the road carefully. Instead you are constantly trying to predict and determine if FSD is going to screw up, and how to quickly react to said screw up.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta 10 veers into pedestrians with illegal right turn

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Post by woofyman »

ogwh wrote: post #34

Why is everyone freaking out over a beta test with a driver at the wheel ready to take over immediately? It's a beta test, finding bugs is kind of the point. Or have we truly reached the point now where we expect "stable" software to be of the same calibre as beta software so nobody makes a distinction between the two?

Because it’s a 5000 lb weapon and the pedestrians didn’t consent to the beta.
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