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A lot of people see the problem, give us some credit. What we don't see is solutions. Do you have any to share?
Destroy oil/gas infra. Deploy more solar. Fund fusion research. Deploy indoor vertical farms. Build structures underground.
I'll add to your list: degrowth.
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This guy gets it. Global warming is scary because of nukes. The timeline till we get widespread crop problems is 15-20 years.
I can't tell if you are being serious, but just to be clear: I do not think that climate change is "scary because of nukes". Climate change is scary in its own right. Global famine is going to be very unpleasant whether or not it sparks WW3. But we do have nukes, and nukes + climate change could bring about the end of civilization in my lifetime with probability much greater than zero. And, what is scariest of all, m…
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A lot of people see the problem, give us some credit. What we don't see is solutions. Do you have any to share?
Destroy oil/gas infra. Deploy more solar. Fund fusion research. Deploy indoor vertical farms. Build structures underground.
A close second is military grade electric flight research.
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> the "individual action makes a difference" is fairy tale. for every 1 person who tries individual action, 999 will discard 3000 plastic containers that cost them ~$0 to acquire but made the container mfg $3,000 profit. Unless of course all 1000 of them decided to do something. Can't you see how this narrative is self-fulfilling?
the typical consumer and business doesnt give much shit about more than their bottom line and nimby. if half the amazon rainforest gets clearcut for palm oil farming, most people in this generation wont be affected by it, why would they stop buying products made with palm oil? they won't. until everyone's houses start burning down or flooding due to climate change, or they see empty grocery stores, no one will care/a…
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Destroy oil/gas infra. Deploy more solar. Fund fusion research. Deploy indoor vertical farms. Build structures underground.
I presume we should destroy oil/gas/coal. That would wipe out ~85% of world's energy production. Might I ask how are we going to power the gigantic engineering project envisioned, on top of somehow keeping people from freezing and/or starving? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_supply_and_consum...
I wonder what nation will be in last place for who is the cleanest. If theyre stubborn about burning gas I dont care about their sovereignty. I dont think I will be alone on that.
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> ... and immediately had to reflexively reject it so it wouldn't sink in. I am not convinced by the apocalyptic prophesy that billions of people will be living in 35 C wet bulb temperature soon ... If I were to be convinced that such a scenario is likely, you'd have to also convince me that creating a global system of central planning is the right thing to do which is what these NPR types want. Even carbon pricing a…
> I am not convinced by the apocalyptic prophesy that billions of people will be living in 35 C wet bulb temperature soon... You didn't even know what it was 12 hours ago. "I had to look up what that meant..."
It seems to me that once one realizes what a "wet bulb temperature of 35 C" means, it's only a hop, skip, and a jump to comprehend the immense vacuousness of your claim that billions of people will be regularly experiencing it.
> poor power infrastructure to run AC is bad
I agree. Let's not stand in the way of any developing nation building cheap, reliable power infrastructure along with cheap, reliable, flexible transportation infrastructure (aka roads and gas stations), so they too can travel in air-conditioned comfort from air-conditioned location to air-conditioned location.
Oh, yes, that means not destroying economic wealth.
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There's plenty of food for everyone on the planet but we are very poor at distributing it to everyone. It's terrible seeing fruit rotting on their trees due to lack of migrant workers to exploit and also people deliberately dumping supplies to keep prices high
>>> due to lack of migrant workers to exploit What's your solution to this? Replacing migrant workers with locals by quadrupling the price of fruit? Or allowing more migrants in? FWIW my family worked as day laborers and it wasn't viewed as exploitation but as a chance to stay in America and become legal. It was better than where they came from. My grandfather ended up becoming a translator and negotiator for the uni…
How would it quadruple the price of fruit? Serious question. Prices would go up, but lets say a worker can pick, what 100 lbs of onions per hour. Onions cost between 30c-$1.50 a pound, so lets go low at say $0.50/pound. So in that hour, if they pick 100 pounds, that's around $50 of revenue. If they make, say $5/hour, and we quadruple their pay to $20/hour, if we increase the cost of onions so that one hour's worth of onions (100 lbs) costs $15/hour more, up to $65/hour, that would be $0.65 per onion. Far from quadruple. If we quadruple the cost to $2.00/onion, then that's $200/hour worth of onion revenue, and we could increase the worker wage from $5/hour to $105/hour!
Lots of research seems to back all this up.
https://www.epi.org/blog/how-much-would-it-cost-consumers-to...
I think laborers are simply exploited.
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>>> due to lack of migrant workers to exploit What's your solution to this? Replacing migrant workers with locals by quadrupling the price of fruit? Or allowing more migrants in? FWIW my family worked as day laborers and it wasn't viewed as exploitation but as a chance to stay in America and become legal. It was better than where they came from. My grandfather ended up becoming a translator and negotiator for the uni…
> What's your solution to this? Replacing migrant workers with locals by quadrupling the price of fruit? How would it quadruple the price of fruit? Serious question. Prices would go up, but lets say a worker can pick, what 100 lbs of onions per hour. Onions cost between 30c-$1.50 a pound, so lets go low at say $0.50/pound. So in that hour, if they pick 100 pounds, that's around $50 of revenue. If they make, say $5/ho…
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What hell do you see? The world is unequivocally getting better in terms of health, food supplies, education, economics, etc. I’d recommend reading Factfulness if you want data based evidence for what I’m saying.
Ok, if we remove China, and you could be born anywhere on earth in the early 70s, randomly amongst the newborn, or today (again, randomly). Would you choose today?
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What hell do you see? The world is unequivocally getting better in terms of health, food supplies, education, economics, etc. I’d recommend reading Factfulness if you want data based evidence for what I’m saying.
There's going to be global famines within my lifetime and a refugee crisis measurable in the hundreds of millions of people. I would say the death toll is unfathomable, but the IPCC makes it very clear that countries worth of people will die. The Hell I see is the Hell the science has determined is all-but certain: the next 80 years will be a series of tragic trending videos, distant, until it directly affects _you_.