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Faroe Islands: Anger over killing of 1,400 dolphins in one day

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Re: Faroe Islands: Anger over killing of 1,400 dolphins in one day

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Yes they are "animals". So are we. Our intelligence is not much superior to theirs (it's arguable that only the lack of opposable thumbs prevents them from getting on the ladder of developing technology — they already use tools), and they experience the full range of emotions as we do. How would you feel as your entire clan was herded into a box canyon and slaughtered with knives, as you wade through their blood awai…

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A claim that it is "preposterous" is itself preposterous and works only if you are ignorant.

Dolphins have language, complex society & culture, self-awareness, use tools, use names for themselves & each other, have higher brain/body-mass ratio vs humans, invent games, act ethically, cooperate across species, and that's just the start of the list when we're only just starting to research the topic.

With all of those components of intelligence (and some features even more advanced vs human capabilities), it should not take much intelligence to see how having opposable thumbs and the ability to write and build on information is a very small step in terms of actual intelligence, BUT that this yields massive visible differences in abilities to change one's environment. (It's still to be seen if this is an actual survival advantage - the Great Filter may still be ahead of us, and be accidental suicide by technology misapplication).

Also, claiming that a single point "invalidates" all other arguments commits a number of fallacies, including Overgeneralization, Non-Sequitor, and Argument from Incredulity...

If you want to feel like it's OK to kill and promote killing of other species for no good reason, it'd be better to just own it than to attempt justifying it with dismissive displays of ignorance.

Re: Faroe Islands: Anger over killing of 1,400 dolphins in one day

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Funny how 'traditional' here is implied to have a positive connotation, as if to say: Well, here are some people who did something we don't like, but it's maybe justified since it was tradition. Tradition need not mean good, this one is clearly barbaric by modern standards.

"Traditional hunting" generally implies "competent", "sustainable", and "only enough for the community's own needs".

Its sounds like the supposedly trained-and-certified "traditional" hunters here fell far short of such ideals.

If one wanted to end this particular tradition, that seems like the best angle to attack it from.

Re: Faroe Islands: Anger over killing of 1,400 dolphins in one day

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A claim that it is "preposterous" is itself preposterous and works only if you are ignorant. Dolphins have language, complex society & culture, self-awareness, use tools, use names for themselves & each other, have higher brain/body-mass ratio vs humans, invent games, act ethically, cooperate across species, and that's just the start of the list when we're only just starting to research the topic. With all of those c…

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Re: Faroe Islands: Anger over killing of 1,400 dolphins in one day

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>Sounds like quite the barbarian 'culture'. wat You do understand that > Killing animals [. . .] as a hobby [. . .] Is something that happens in most places, right? Hunting exists. It's multi-billion dollar industry. What about hunting defines a culture as barbaric? If it's done within appropriate and ethical legislative or regulatory contexts, and not to endangered or threatened species, what does it matter in defin…

I do understand it, and i think hunting hobby culture is stupid. That's my personal opinion. Go shoot targets if you want to use a rifle, do another sport if you need exercise. Excluding hunting because of vast overpopulation etc

The diminishing risk those hobby hunters have is hypocritical and pure cowardice, the hunt stands no chance while the alpha loosers are equipped to the teeth and never put their lives in danger. They’re complete and utter loosers in my book, lest they level the playing field..

Re: Faroe Islands: Anger over killing of 1,400 dolphins in one day

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I agree with the argument you're making, but not with your colonist example. Dolphins, after all, are animals, not people. "Cultural heritage" argument is in a league of its own when it comes to harming humans.

Well that's just your cultural upbringing. Maybe my cultural heritage involves cannibalism, after all, humans are just meat as well

Even so, it's one thing to eat a human who has died naturally or by accident vs chasing down and killing another human to eat them.

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This would make some sense if we were farming dolphin. Pigs are not endangered.

Farming animals is much much worse than killing wild animals. Even when I was a vegetarian for ethical reasons I would eat game, I have no moral objections at all to going out in the forest and shooting a deer for food, but raising pigs in meat factories is horrible.

I am also against factory farming. That is orthogonal to the argument about there being plenty of pigs/dolphins.

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This would make some sense if we were farming dolphin. Pigs are not endangered.

Neither are Atlantic white-sided dolphins[0]. It does seem weird to me that people would get upset over this but not our own slaughter of hundreds of millions of animals. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_white-sided_dolphin

https://hwdt.org/atlantic-white-sided-dolphin says there are only 300,000 of them. Killing 1,400 at a time seems like an easy way to endanger the species.

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This would make some sense if we were farming dolphin. Pigs are not endangered.

Are the white-sided dolphins that are at issue here endangered? Wikipedia says they aren’t, ranked as ‘Of Least Concern’ on the conservation scale. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_white-sided_dolphin

https://hwdt.org/atlantic-white-sided-dolphin says there are only 300,000 of them. Killing 1,400 at a time seems like an easy way to endanger the species.

Re: Faroe Islands: Anger over killing of 1,400 dolphins in one day

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This would make some sense if we were farming dolphin. Pigs are not endangered.

No comment on the pigs argument, but dolphins and pilot whales are not endangered. They're ranked as "least concern".

https://hwdt.org/atlantic-white-sided-dolphin says there are only 300,000 of them. Killing 1,400 at a time seems like an easy way to endanger the species.

We should still be concerned.

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