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Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by rsynnott »

allturtles wrote: post #4
rkk3 wrote: post #2

Deaths 21 days or more after second dose: .89% Percent of all Covid Deaths That seems like great news?

I don't think this is a particularly interesting stat without a baseline of what % of people fell into that category. Since this is computed over the time period January 2 to July 2 and mass vaccination didn't really take off until the spring, you wouldn't have a large number of people in that category until near the end of the study period.

About half the (total, not adult) population was vaccinated by end of May: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57313399

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by salynchnew »

tosser1f5a9b78 wrote: post #7

We need to see cardiac events in the vaccinated cohort. I know or know of a dozen since April.

Your anecdote is the most interesting statistic I've read here. I am going to call the CDC and ask them to investigate this immediately.

That's really what we should be focusing on.

A dozen deaths, not 38,000.

/s

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by newbamboo »

allturtles wrote: post #4
rkk3 wrote: post #2

Deaths 21 days or more after second dose: .89% Percent of all Covid Deaths That seems like great news?

I don't think this is a particularly interesting stat without a baseline of what % of people fell into that category. Since this is computed over the time period January 2 to July 2 and mass vaccination didn't really take off until the spring, you wouldn't have a large number of people in that category until near the end of the study period.

As stated in the report, “ the characteristics of the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations are changing over time, which limits the usefulness of comparing counts between the groups.”

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by Kenji »

human wrote: post #9

I have been looking for one number. Maybe someone can help me. What is the mortality rate for unvaxxed healthy adults between the age of 18 and 50? I can’t help but be dubious that this group needs vaccination.

About 0.0005%. Got it from a Covid risk calculator that got posted here recently (plus 1+ years of research of raw numbers). The risk is staggeringly low for young people.

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by jdminhbg »

human wrote: post #9

I have been looking for one number. Maybe someone can help me. What is the mortality rate for unvaxxed healthy adults between the age of 18 and 50? I can’t help but be dubious that this group needs vaccination.

That one number can't exist, because there is no one definition of "healthy."

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by stri8ted »

tosser1f5a9b78 wrote: post #7

We need to see cardiac events in the vaccinated cohort. I know or know of a dozen since April.

Would need to see this compared to cardiac events in unvaxed group, given Covid seems to cause many of those same symptoms. Comparing it to baseline levels from pre-covid, would be disingenuous.

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by almost_usual »

human wrote: post #9

I have been looking for one number. Maybe someone can help me. What is the mortality rate for unvaxxed healthy adults between the age of 18 and 50? I can’t help but be dubious that this group needs vaccination.

Mortality only matters to you. Hospitalization matters to everyone.

Re: Deaths involving Covid-19 by vaccination status, England

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Post by Claudus »

allturtles wrote: post #4
rkk3 wrote: post #2

Deaths 21 days or more after second dose: .89% Percent of all Covid Deaths That seems like great news?

I don't think this is a particularly interesting stat without a baseline of what % of people fell into that category. Since this is computed over the time period January 2 to July 2 and mass vaccination didn't really take off until the spring, you wouldn't have a large number of people in that category until near the end of the study period.

Yes, what is the the overall mortality rate for vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. Ballpark estimates looking at the vaccination rate over time, it seems like vaccinated people had almost double the mortality rate of unvaccinated.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

Vaccinated are less likely to die of Covid-19, but more likely to die? Not very reassuring.

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