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If an info leak occurs in a data center and no one is harmed, does it make any liability?
Having your personal information leaked is harm. Difficult to quantify harm, but harm none the less.
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Being struck by lightning and hail sound plenty adversarial to me. Meanwhile equifax and co just leave your data unprotected, no adversary required
> Being struck by lightning and hail sound plenty adversarial to me. Not really. lightning and hail behave predictably. Attackers don't. Adversarial hail would be a hailstorm where the hail magically heat-seeked to the engine. >Meanwhile equifax and co just leave your data unprotected, no adversary required The parent poster argued for a much stronger statement than this, which includes only negligence.
What's the metaphor for privilidge escalation - you dress like a pilot and they let you drive?
Most hacks in computing are preventable by not using languages that are know to be unsafe or testing software priperly. We prioritiae features over safety or reliability.
They are not comparable to someone attacking a plane with a missile.
I think it should be clear to that designers of aircraft and airlines themselves take much more care and responsebility than software designer do.
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> Being struck by lightning and hail sound plenty adversarial to me. Not really. lightning and hail behave predictably. Attackers don't. Adversarial hail would be a hailstorm where the hail magically heat-seeked to the engine. >Meanwhile equifax and co just leave your data unprotected, no adversary required The parent poster argued for a much stronger statement than this, which includes only negligence.
I think physical metaphores are flawed, but lets just continue for fun: if planes were designed the way software is designed, what is the airplane plane metaphor for buffer overflow? You take too much luggage with you and the plane crashes? What's the metaphor for privilidge escalation - you dress like a pilot and they let you drive? Most hacks in computing are preventable by not using languages that are know to be u…
But none of the attacks you outlined can actually be prevented by the manufacturer? eg. for luggage the manufacturer just provides a maximum takeoff weight, but that's only verified by the pilots/ground crew. The buffer overflow equivalent would be an app with a buffer overflow vulnerability, but it asks very nicely not to overflow it.
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Listening to music? Looking at television screens? Pushing typewriter keys? Playing videogames? Programming computers? Video calls? While more expensive when adjusted for inflation, all were commercially available in the '60s. You could make video calls in Grand Central in 1964, even if you could only call DC or Chicago and it cost $5 a minute. The future was already here, as Gibson observed. The internet seems like…
This past week: I smoked ribs for the first time in my life. Despite having 0 bbq experience and being a relatively new owner of a charcoal grill, I for free and on a whim tapped into the nearly infinite font of human knowledge available at my fingertips to learn about the 3-2-1 method of competition barbecue and made amazing hickory smoked ribs. Without the internet I wouldn't have even bothered, and acquiring that…
The idea of "timeshifting" TV has been around since at least the '60s, Jeannie paused live TV one time so they wouldn't miss the game. But yeah, there's been innovation in "TV," though I suspect you're actually talking about videos on the internet (as opposed to DTV), and most of the recent moves seem to be massively empowering rights holders over viewers by shifting permanent ownership of physical media to fleeting licenses and subscriptions with terms that could change tomorrow. And, with the removal of the Paramount Decrees and decline of feature films + cinemas, we seem to be heading back to the bad old days of a studio system.
Satellite-based navigation, first implemented with GPS between '73 and '93, is a good example of innovation, and real advancement, after the late '60s though.
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I think physical metaphores are flawed, but lets just continue for fun: if planes were designed the way software is designed, what is the airplane plane metaphor for buffer overflow? You take too much luggage with you and the plane crashes? What's the metaphor for privilidge escalation - you dress like a pilot and they let you drive? Most hacks in computing are preventable by not using languages that are know to be u…
>I think it should be clear to that designers of aircraft and airlines themselves take much more care and responsebility than software designer do. But none of the attacks you outlined can actually be prevented by the manufacturer? eg. for luggage the manufacturer just provides a maximum takeoff weight, but that's only verified by the pilots/ground crew. The buffer overflow equivalent would be an app with a buffer ov…
The buffer overflow equivalent would be an app written in a managed language like C#, where buffer overflows are basically impossible.
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Exactly. Transistors were invented in 1947, Engelbart presented on downscaling ICs to an audience including Moore in 1960, and he observed his law in 1965. It's mostly held, transistors have incrementally increased as predicted over 50 years ago. This is consistent with Stephenson's observation that there's been no meaningful innovation since the late '60s.
This is like arguing in 1870 that there had been no meaningful invention since the Newcomen engine in 1712, just as the transcontinental railroad connected the nation.
Between 1712 and 1870, interchangeable parts, bifocals, lightning rods, cotton gins, spinning jennys, carbonated water, thermometers, guillotines, parachutes, hot air balloons, sandwiches, mayonnaise, gas turbines, internal combustion engines, matches, electric batteries, microphones, typewriters, sewing machines, barbed wire, reflecting telescopes, stethoscopes, gyroscopes, mechanical reapers, corn planters, bicycles, telegraphs, postage stamps, photography, staplers, airships, gliders, light bulbs, traffic lights, Portland cement, the Bessemer process, and tin cans were invented. Watt's steam engine was an iteration, a few incremental improvements over Newcomen's design.
And then most of the inventions that shape contemporary life came between 1870 and 1970.
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This is like arguing in 1870 that there had been no meaningful invention since the Newcomen engine in 1712, just as the transcontinental railroad connected the nation.
I'm specifically arguing that there has been little meaningful innovation between the late 1960s and 2020s. Outside internet protocols, applications, and appliances, what's been invented since the late 1960s? Between 1712 and 1870, interchangeable parts, bifocals, lightning rods, cotton gins, spinning jennys, carbonated water, thermometers, guillotines, parachutes, hot air balloons, sandwiches, mayonnaise, gas turbin…
Do digital innovations not count as innovations? By that definition of course the digital revolution has not produced any meaningful innovation
Naturally, the industrial revolution has innovations that were related to industry while the information revolution has had innovations that are related to information.
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This past week: I smoked ribs for the first time in my life. Despite having 0 bbq experience and being a relatively new owner of a charcoal grill, I for free and on a whim tapped into the nearly infinite font of human knowledge available at my fingertips to learn about the 3-2-1 method of competition barbecue and made amazing hickory smoked ribs. Without the internet I wouldn't have even bothered, and acquiring that…
Most of what you describe could've been accomplished with sufficiently advanced telegraphy, optical media, and mechanical transport. Untenably expensive, but doable with 19th century tech. The idea of "timeshifting" TV has been around since at least the '60s, Jeannie paused live TV one time so they wouldn't miss the game. But yeah, there's been innovation in "TV," though I suspect you're actually talking about videos…
But it wasn't, which is the whole point
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That would create temporary disruption, but how would it have any long term benefit, once cars started having navigation as an option again?
Navigation isn't the issue, it's people texting.