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Michelin's airless tires are scheduled for market launch in 2024

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Re: Michelin's airless tires are scheduled for market launch in 2024

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GOOD point by my wife, why don’t we work on puncture resistance instead? Reinforce the tires with Kevlar or carbon fiber?

Handling and NVH tradeoffs. You can reduce tire pressure to combat these but a more substantially built tire will succumb to heat related early failure more easily if you do that. Also money. Tires with more stuff in them and more exotic stuff in them are more expensive because that directly translates to more manufacturing steps.

Re: Michelin's airless tires are scheduled for market launch in 2024

#62

This website is funny in the EU. I have to scroll to the bottom of the disclosure before it lets me press “reject all”, as if I would care about exactly what I’m rejecting.

It is perhaps useful to consider the entirety of the disclosure, however, in that it would let you know that by pressing "reject all", it appears that you are allowing all their listed purposes: they claim legitimate interest for every purpose they list. Reading further, after scrolling through one list of around 700 partners, you would also find a second list of what appears to be around 700 other partners, with, it appears, likely around 300-400 legitimate interest switches, all defaulting to on.

Re: Michelin's airless tires are scheduled for market launch in 2024

#63
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I would like to know if bikes could be equipped with this kind of tires, I tend to never have my tires fully inflated...

You can buy airless inserts for bikes, as well as airless tires. These are not used in higher performance applications. In performance road, gravel, and mountain bikes you find tubeless tires that use sealant instead of airless inserts.

Re: Michelin's airless tires are scheduled for market launch in 2024

#64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the concept video it’s shown that a 3D printer can print layers on top of the tyre. I think this is what they meant by rechargeable - the ability to “fix” the tyres.

We can do that already to normal tires and without 3d printing. Such tires are of lower quality though.

>Such tires are of lower quality though.

And you've found the problem. Michilin is trying to compete with Firestone to sell the next set of $1k tires you put on your expensive car. They're (mostly) not competing with Deestone and Linglong to produce the cheapest tire for your beater car. The people buying the former don't buy retreads. But they might if you find a way to re-spin the same fundamental idea as something that isn't low-end. And if you're the first to figure out how to sell that product to those people you can make boatloads of money while everyone else plays catch up.

Re: Michelin's airless tires are scheduled for market launch in 2024

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I was expecting yet another minor convenience that doubled the ecological footprint of a thing. But it looks like reducing impact was actually a goal here. Pretty awesome.

They're trying to spin it as reducing the environmental impact, but the actual details in the article seem iffy. Glass fibre reinforced plastic is basically non-recyclable and they only have some vague ambition to make them out of something that is at some unspecified point in the future.

Yeah greenwashing is a thing and even a lot of stuff that genuinely well-intentioned can have externalities that outweigh the benefit. But at least it looks like they're trying.

Re: Michelin's airless tires are scheduled for market launch in 2024

#67

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Rechargeable: Adding tread. Connected: Reports tread status and configuration, e.g. to inform the driver that he should change to a winter tire tread. Sustainable: Recycled and recyclable.

>Connected: Reports tread status and configuration, e.g. to inform the driver that he should change to a winter tire tread. That sounds like everything that's terrible about printer ink but with the decimal moved once to the right. I can imagine a world where your tires stop working because you had them re-treaded with a tread pattern or the OEM won't honor a warranty item because you didn't use an approved brand of…

Truck tires are retreaded all the time. It’s why you see bits of tread on the highway. They do fall off now and then.

Apparently saves a lot of money.

Re: Michelin's airless tires are scheduled for market launch in 2024

#68

How do they deal with rocks/mud/dirt/sand getting inside?

It wouldn't be too crazy of an engineering trick to make the pores flex in a manner that causes them to crap out anything that's clogging them as the tire goes around.

Re: Michelin's airless tires are scheduled for market launch in 2024

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Connected: Reports tread status and configuration, e.g. to inform the driver that he should change to a winter tire tread. That sounds like everything that's terrible about printer ink but with the decimal moved once to the right. I can imagine a world where your tires stop working because you had them re-treaded with a tread pattern or the OEM won't honor a warranty item because you didn't use an approved brand of…

Truck tires are retreaded all the time. It’s why you see bits of tread on the highway. They do fall off now and then. Apparently saves a lot of money.

Tires where purchasing decisions are driven almost exclusively by cost per time or distance are routinely retreaded. But that does not describe the passenger car tire market.

Re: Michelin's airless tires are scheduled for market launch in 2024

#70

There have been a number of reports of components of rubber tiers being harmful to humans[1] or the broader environment[2] beyond the waste issue, would be interesting to know if these manage to improve on that. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/sep/11/pollutin... [2] https://www.opb.org/article/2020/12/04/scientists-point-to-c...

Michelin is French, the tyres will all end up getting burnt during protests.
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