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Record number of environmental activists murdered

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Re: Record number of environmental activists murdered

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> No, it's a cynical question No. The cynicism is the insistence that it doesn't matter. > ...which derails the conversation If the answer were "There has been a decrease in the total number of activists, therefore the record is worse that the absolute numbers imply" would you make this accusation? No. No you would not. You would insist, correctly, that it was very relevant. You would rightly look with suspicion upon…

No I would not make the argument in reverse as you suggested. Not in this context. This is atypical murder. The proliferation of murder is the only metric that matters. This is not your average crime context. It's more or less legitimate businesses/corporations stepping out of legitimate methods. Any murder in this context is noteworthy, an increase points at a catastrophic development of uncontained corporate power.…

Maybe. But I guess I don't think "But it's murder and murder is always awful!" is a good answer to the question "Is this newspaper article accurate?" even if the article is about murder and skullduggery.

And I especially don't appreciate some of the histrionics of the "Don't question the accuracy!!" side.

Headline: "There is a 50% increase in the child-crushing rate!" Me: "There's nothing in the article that tells us how many children are being crushed, exactly. Is this a big problem? Small problem?" You: "You monster! Children are being crushed! Stop quibbling about how many! Even One. Single. Child. is too many!!"

Re: Record number of environmental activists murdered

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How does this compare to the growth in the number of environmental activists overall? Edit: it was pointed out below that it's probably more influenced by an increase in environmentally damaging activities such as logging. Edit 2: Yes, I think that murdering peaceful, innocent protestors is a disgusting act. I'm just questioning the article's use of statistics

> in environmentally damaging activities such as logging. That's most probably the case, yes. I live in a country (Romania) where a lot of illegal (or borderline-illegal) logging activities happen and a few environmental activists have been physically harmed while one or two foresters have actually been killed. The issue is that many mountain communities (where the logging happens) are dependent on that activity for…

Quite similar is the situation in neighbouring Bulgaria and I am sure the rest of the Balkan countries as well.

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Effectively you’re saying that a status quo of stable-percentage murders is okay. I (and others on this post) are saying that any non-zero percentage is bad. So I guess we fundamentally disagree then.

Nobody thinks murder is okay, and if this is the way you conduct discourse you're probably working against your own goals. There is a lot more behind a statistic than just a number or trend-line, one which often requires single or multiple policy changes that could take years. So yes, observing that the trend line goes and keeps going down is good, a sharp rise is a cause for concern. That is not the same thing, at a…

Well stated.
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