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Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?

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Re: Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?

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Comment section here proving once again that high IQ nerds are, when it comes to the stuff that actually matters, overtly authoritarian. You might be all for giving children hormone blockers and championing the right to vote without ID, but it turns out the liberalism was just a LARP all along. I am fortunate to be in a position where my livelihood is not being threatened, and I will never get an unnecessary medical…

You are 100% within your rights to do so.

And the rest of society is free to decide that’s a selfish position and ask you to stay away from their homes and businesses.

The rest of us sheeple will just have to make do without your enlightened slaveless presence.

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To reply as the devils advocate to this comment, what is the tolerance to social costs that society is willing to bear? Also why would one segment of society have to do something that it doesn't want e.g. not bear risk if they want to? Should we tell people to get their BMI under 25 too? Overweight and obesity are going to cost much more in increased healthcare costs than COVID will in the coming decades (pls prove m…

>Should we tell people to get their BMI under 25 too? >What about drinking and smoking? There's a lot of investment in trying to fix these problems already, or at least offset the costs. For example, there are "sin taxes" for things like cigarettes and alcohol, which means smokers and drinkers are paying disproportionately more taxes than those that don't. You could argue that overweight folks are also paying disprop…

> All that aside though- forcing fat people to get skinny isn't a valid comparison to forcing people to take a vaccine. One takes a couple minutes and the other is something requiring an hour or more of dedicated time per day for potentially years

The issue with being overweight is not so much the extra weight itself, but the fact that it is correlated with metabolic dysfunction. "TOFI" (thin-outside fat-inside) are just as unhealthy.

Metabolic dysfunction can be resolved in a matter of days to weeks by abstaining from high glycemic index foods and in general fixing modern-day malnutrition. This is with a more aggressive regimen often described as a "ketogenic" diet, although the term is abused by people who don't understand that ketosis is more of a side-effect of a species-appropriate diet that allows for healthy fat burning, and not simply hitting macros.

Again I stress that if public health officials had a clue the pandemic would have never happened, it was evident early on that this disease disproportionately affects the malnourished, people with poor blood glucose control, sedentary, and immune compromised. These all go together, although oftentimes the immune dysfunction is deliberately induced by pharmaceutical treatments to mitigate autoimmune disease.

See also:

[Only 12 percent of american adults are metabolically healthy](https://www.unc.edu/posts/2018/11/28/only-12-percent-of-amer...)

Re: Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?

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post #893

Comment section here proving once again that high IQ nerds are, when it comes to the stuff that actually matters, overtly authoritarian. You might be all for giving children hormone blockers and championing the right to vote without ID, but it turns out the liberalism was just a LARP all along. I am fortunate to be in a position where my livelihood is not being threatened, and I will never get an unnecessary medical…

>Seethe and cope, because at the end of the day you are a slave, and I will never be. Peevish attitude -- as if getting a vaccine is a deep personal choice. It's not really. It's a public health issue and like masks you protect others around you from getting disease. Ironically you depend on others doing the right thing to enjoy your little freedoms.

> Peevish attitude -- as if getting a vaccine is a deep personal choice.

Bodily integrity is a deep personal thing. “My body, my choice” isn’t it?

Re: Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?

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Comment section here proving once again that high IQ nerds are, when it comes to the stuff that actually matters, overtly authoritarian. You might be all for giving children hormone blockers and championing the right to vote without ID, but it turns out the liberalism was just a LARP all along. I am fortunate to be in a position where my livelihood is not being threatened, and I will never get an unnecessary medical…

Or some of us might be aware of the paradox of tolerance and correctly conclude that unlimited tolerance of intolerance is not the only alternative to authoritarianism.

Re: Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?

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>Seethe and cope, because at the end of the day you are a slave, and I will never be. Peevish attitude -- as if getting a vaccine is a deep personal choice. It's not really. It's a public health issue and like masks you protect others around you from getting disease. Ironically you depend on others doing the right thing to enjoy your little freedoms.

> Peevish attitude -- as if getting a vaccine is a deep personal choice. Bodily integrity is a deep personal thing. “My body, my choice” isn’t it?

No more so than driving drunk.

Re: Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?

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A bunch of hospitals are more strained now than they ever were. Covid's more infectious now and some staff have quit.

How much is "a bunch" of hospitals? How are you measuring "more strained" "than they ever were?" Because the evidence I found suggests the situation was overblown: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/covid-hos... In other words, the study suggests that roughly half of all the hospitalized patients showing up on COVID-data dashboards in 2021 may have been admitted for another reason entirely, or had onl…

How much is "a bunch" of hospitals?

A fair criticism. Let's survey several US states and major metro areas to get a better idea, using sources not more than 30 days old:

Colorado: “The burden of the unvaccinated on our hospitals is profound”[0]

[0] https://coloradosun.com/2021/09/10/coronavirus-hospital-icu-...

Washington: Local Hospitals at ICU Capacity; ICU Nurses Resigning [1]

[1] https://keprtv.com/news/local/local-hospitals-at-icu-capacit...

Alabama: "On Wednesday [Sept 8], Alabama's hospitals had 2,724 people with COVID-19, according to the Alabama Hospital Association. There were 68 more patients than available ICU beds in the state that day." [2]

[2] https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/2021/09/09/u...

North Carolina: "We can’t transfer anywhere all hospitals are in the same situation" [3]

[3] https://myfox8.com/news/coronavirus/randolph-health-hits-icu...

Illinois: "Herrmann told the radio station that the majority of those critical COVID-19 patients are unvaccinated, and said the effect on staffed ICU beds is negatively impacting other patients who need critical care." [4]

[4]https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/coronavirus_news/idph-reports-zer...

I'm no expert on what is "a bunch", but I feel pretty certain the above examples (out of many more) have, together, met the threshold.

Re: Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?

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> Peevish attitude -- as if getting a vaccine is a deep personal choice. Bodily integrity is a deep personal thing. “My body, my choice” isn’t it?

No more so than driving drunk.

You'll make this analogy, but if I remind you that banning driving would save lives, you'll tell me "car accidents aren't contagious!"

Your mind has been destroyed, and unfortunately there is no vaccine (remember, the definition can change).

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Amen. We have been so unbelievably myopic with COVID it truly hurts my head. Even today, ask someone who's COVID-obsessed, "What exactly is your longer-term plan here?" and watch as their mind breaks down. Too many people have completely stopped thinking about what they're trying to achieve and how they're going to do it. Half the country is just stuck, focused on short-term and no attention paid to anything else and…

What do you think is the long term plan of "flu-obsessed" people, a.k.a. doctors, when they recommend getting the yearly flu vaccine?

Their long term plan seemed to be to not worry too much about what proportion of people get the flu vaccine (and certainly not about documenting who has or hasn't had one), and live a normal life (travel, party, etc.) even while flu is spreading.

Re: Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?

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> Peevish attitude -- as if getting a vaccine is a deep personal choice. Bodily integrity is a deep personal thing. “My body, my choice” isn’t it?

No more so than driving drunk.

Driving drunk doesn’t imply violating driver’s own bodily integrity against their choice. A drunk driver risks other people’s lives and it’s a punishable crime.
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