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Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?

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Post by isolli »

enkid wrote: post #773
isolli wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While not wrong in itself, your comment epitomizes everything that has been wrong with our public health response. Trying to manipulate populations into a desired behavior by lying to them is, as you point out, counterproductive in the long run.

But it's not lying. If you have had COVID, you should still get the shot. The science is not close on this, the vaccine provides additional immunity in addition to what you get from catching COVID.

The science is actually far from settled on this. There is no randomized controlled trial of vaccinating the previously infected.

And while this pre-print [0] establishes that natural immunity is far stronger than vaccine-only immunity, the result is not conclusive for natural immunity + vaccine:

“Individuals who were previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 seem to gain additional protection from a subsequent single-dose vaccine regimen. Though this finding corresponds to previous reports, we could not demonstrate significance in our cohort.”

[0] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...

Re: Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?

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fuzxi wrote: post #726
MSM wrote: post #620

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>Should we tell people to get their BMI under 25 too? >What about drinking and smoking? There's a lot of investment in trying to fix these problems already, or at least offset the costs. For example, there are "sin taxes" for things like cigarettes and alcohol, which means smokers and drinkers are paying disproportionately more taxes than those that don't. You could argue that overweight folks are also paying disprop…

>One takes a couple minutes and the other is something requiring an hour or more of dedicated time per day for potentially years (or a whole lifetime! Nope. You don't have to dedicate time to exercising to lose weight, you can just eat less.

Yeah, eat less for months or years. Slightly harder than getting an injection.

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Post by tomp »

rootusrootus wrote: post #374
jowday wrote: post #292

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I wish I could say that if authorities hadn't lied about, say, masks or this stuff with natural immunity, things would gone a lot better and people would have behaved much more rationally about COVID, but I don't think that's true. I've got family in a small town in the south - the countermeasures they took against COVID basically amounted to Wal-Mart closing for a weekend in March. Most of the people there had made…

> I wish I could say that if authorities hadn't lied about, say, masks or this stuff with natural immunity, things would gone a lot better and people would have behaved much more rationally about COVID, but I don't think that's true. I agree. For someone whose threshold of 'did the authorities lie about masks' is one cherry-picked example, there was never any hope. They were absolutely going to find someone to confir…

There’s a whole list of lies from the pst 19 months.

- There is no pandemic”

- “Masks don’t work”

- “Border closures are racist”

- “3 weeks to stop the spread”

- “The virus definitely didn’t come from a lab”

- “Antibodies only last 3 months”

- “There will be no vaccine passports”

- “We’re not manipulating COVID data”

- “Vaccines are 100% safe”

- “Lockdowns are for your own safety”

- “Don’t take drugs meant for horses”

- “Measures are guided by science”

- “We’re all in this together”

- “If you get vaccinated you’ll get your freedom back”

Re: Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?

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Post by raxxorrax »

kristjansson wrote: post #525

Because it's a terrible policy prescription. If natural immunity is acceptable, what proportion of the unvaccinated-uninfected population will just take the risk? Half? More? Millions of people will just (continue to) take the risk, get sick, go to hospital, and die (in decreasing proportions), incurring substantial personal and social costs along the way. Accepting only vaccination as evidence of protection reduces…

I believe your prediction of behavior to be wrong and careless and it also may highlight why public healthcare never got too far in the US.

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Post by [deleted] »

colpabar wrote: post #72
collegeburner wrote: post #35

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Yes, places like NYC are creating a system of getting entry to many places only if you present government authorization. Then they can start adding more conditions to that authorization. Maybe a red state later adds not being a felon or a blue state adds not being on some red flag list. After all, you can still eat, so it's okay. They represent systems for excluding certain classes of people from society.

I'm extremely interested to see whether voting locations will start requiring proof of vaccination.

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Pxtl wrote: post #216
volkk wrote: post #146

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> Even if they're wrong well that's very loaded, as in, if they're wrong to the point of having long term damage to your body, then probably..don't just get it...right? albeit, we've seen no proof that this is the case at all thus far.

Here's the thing, the dilemma isn't "should I get the shot or shouldn't I get the shot". The dilemma is "should I support the public experts even if their approach might have some minor flaws, or should I dissent and risk feeding credibility into their opponents that are prolonging this pandemic and getting innocent people killed as they clog up the hospital system". This is a definite case where "perfect is the enem…

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Post by skinkestek »

Aeolun wrote: post #841
fuzxi wrote: post #726

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>One takes a couple minutes and the other is something requiring an hour or more of dedicated time per day for potentially years (or a whole lifetime! Nope. You don't have to dedicate time to exercising to lose weight, you can just eat less.

Eating less is much more mentally intensive than taking a corona shot.

Ask some of my friends that are otherwise healthy and they'll say quite the opposite.

(Full disclosure: I'm vaccinated and disagree wildly with them, but they are still my friends and these are very capable engineers/programmers, they just don't trust authorities in this case.)

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jonny_eh wrote: post #714
MSM wrote: post #620

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>Should we tell people to get their BMI under 25 too? >What about drinking and smoking? There's a lot of investment in trying to fix these problems already, or at least offset the costs. For example, there are "sin taxes" for things like cigarettes and alcohol, which means smokers and drinkers are paying disproportionately more taxes than those that don't. You could argue that overweight folks are also paying disprop…

Covid is contagious, obesity is not.

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