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Young People Are Anxious About Climate Change, Say Governments Are Failing Them

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Re: Young People Are Anxious About Climate Change, Say Governments Are Failing Them

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Post by ceejayoz »

logicalmonster wrote: post #154
trehalose wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> already been a solved problem for decades How solved is it if the solutions aren't getting deployed?

It will happen when it has to. Look into Scott Adams law of slow moving disasters. https://www.scottadamssays.com/2013/04/15/fact-checking-adam... To sum it up, whenever humans see a problem coming in the distant future, they find a way to solve it in time. Y2K is a great example of this: when stories about the effects of Y2K were popularized, some people thought that there would be no way to fix so many millions of…

"If Biden is elected, there's a good chance you will be dead within the year. Republicans will be hunted."

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/127830983545328435... https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/127831632504405606...

Maybe pick someone with a slightly better record on predictions.

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Post by sorethescore »

freddealmeida wrote: post #62

Young people are driven by propaganda and social trends. I don't see what the crisis is at all. Data, cleaned for bias, suggests very little difference. And certainly not in the West. Pollution is certainly a problem, such as in China, India, but I don't agree that the world climate is changing in a way that is abnormal. I'm anxious though about the drive for using climate as a premise to remove freedoms for some pos…

Everyone is driven by propaganda and social trends, it's naive to believe otherwise. If you can't see the crisis then either you're not looking or you don't understand the threat posed by anthropogenic climate change. The fact that China, India and the rest of the developing world are unlikely to fully adress their contributions to the problem only make the crisis more acute increasing the likelihood for authoritarian regimes to take power and act in whatever way they feel is in their best interest, regardless the consequences.

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Post by lisper »

civilized wrote: post #169
lisper wrote: post #4

It's not just young people. I'm 56 and I'm going through a pretty serious personal existential crisis w.r.t. climate change. I think even the people who are worried about it don't realize quite how serious the situation is. I used to feel pretty confident that all of the really bad shit would not happen until after I was dead. I'm not nearly so confident any more. I now think there is a significant chance that I coul…

Climate change is bad but technological collapse doomerism is completely unsupported by science. People like the romance of dramatic and exciting extremes, of paradise and apocalypse. The mundane probability of having to adapt to somewhat worse conditions isn't that entertaining.

Look up "blue ocean event". The BOE could lead to the loss of the jet stream in 10-20 years. After that, God only knows what is going to happen. The really big problem is that we won't know where the rain will fall, and so we won't know where to plant, and so we could have global famine. If you think covid was bad, you ain't seen nuthin'. And even that will not necessarily lead directly to the collapse of civilization, but I'm not optimistic about the ability of our political leaders to handle the situation gracefully and without starting WW3.

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Post by rdedev »

jimmaswell wrote: post #167

For whatever value of "young person" I am in my mid 20s: Climate change is going on and will have some unfortunate consequences, but the world is not ending and there's hope for advances in carbon capture etc. Civilization will march on and find a way. The state and federal government, for all the ways they've failed in protecting my rights, let me bootstrap my career with student aid, being the first of my family to…

While "no" social mobility is a bit extreme, social mobility has drastically reduced in america. Here is a pretty famous paper showing so:

https://www.nber.org/papers/w19843

Personal responsibility can only take you so far if getting hold or keeping hold of such opportunities are hard in the first place

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Post by OneEyedRobot »

tppiotrowski wrote: post #108
larzang wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Peak Chinese coal consumption was 2013, it's still substantial but total usage has been falling along with percentage of total output for a while now.

Can you provide a citation?

I can't say that it has dropped much.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/265491/chinese-coal-cons...

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

Aerroon wrote: post #129
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #104

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I am sick of younger generations being derided and given no credit. It was students who protested the Vietnam war, climate change and brought the piece movement. It was older voters that supported Tump, Brexit and Iraq war. It was the young people that were drafted into the army to die half a world away. Can you point to a single issue where young people were the problem? Older voters are more likely to be partisan,…

> It was students who protested the Vietnam war, climate change and brought the piece movement. It was older voters that supported Tump, Brexit and Iraq war. When the Iraq war started, how old were people who were young during the Vietnam war protests? 2003 - 1965 = 38 Young person that protested the Vietnam war + 38 years = old person I don't think that the Vietnam war protesters were in favor of the Iraq war, but i…

Underlying every such discussion is an assumption that with age peope become better voters, but there is no reason to believe that and no data to support this notion.

We know that IQ peaks at 21 and for most folks, unfortunately, their education ends when they complete university. For the next 60 years they don't become better informed, they just suffer through life, forget what they learnt and get ossified in their beliefs and become ever more out of touch as the world changes around them while they can't keep up.

The folks in power are in their 9th decade, and they aren't scientists either - they have no idea how a lot of critical modern things work.

I think there should be no minimal voting age, if someone is old enough enough to be interested in casting a vote, they should be democratically represented. If we are going to introduce reatrictions, they should be objective, not age discriminatory.

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Post by nicoffeine »

logicalmonster wrote: post #163
throwaway5752 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't use social media, HN notwithstanding, and it is plainly obvious to me from just looking out the window that climate change is substantial and accelerating. It is the most urgent and dangerous issue facing the planet. I agree social media is awful, but it does not follow that climate change isn't cause to panic. If anything, half of Americans are nowhere near panicked enough about climate change as the result…

Do you disagree that the clean energy problem has been solved by nuclear energy? I'm not panicked because I think we already have the solution. All the climate alarmism and environmental activists has done is promote worse options like solar and wind that are more environmentally destructive and cannot sustain modern human civilization.

Germany is nearly halfway to replacing fossil fuels and nuclear power, other countries are even further along (though they are smaller). Pretty sure they qualify as a modern human civilizations.

I've heard nonsense claims against renewable energy my entire life, but it's all over except for the shouting. Nuclear is going away because wind and solar are already cheaper and easier to deploy and better for the environment. Maybe it's a good option on Mars where there isn't a biosphere.

If you were on a spaceship and every year the CO2 => oxygen recycling systems grew increasingly unpredictable as well as the average temperature of all systems onboard, would it be alarmist to figure out what was going on? The climate is changing, very slowly on our individual lifespan timescale, but very quickly on the timescale of the last twenty thousand years of weather patterns that can support our current population.

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Post by lisper »

fnord77 wrote: post #124
lisper wrote: post #4

It's not just young people. I'm 56 and I'm going through a pretty serious personal existential crisis w.r.t. climate change. I think even the people who are worried about it don't realize quite how serious the situation is. I used to feel pretty confident that all of the really bad shit would not happen until after I was dead. I'm not nearly so confident any more. I now think there is a significant chance that I coul…

aren't you excited about having live through both the great rise of civilization and then also the biggest decline? you may have gotten to see the absolute peak of society.

You are absolutely right about seeing the rise of civilization. Being a witness to the development of personal computers and the internet has been an incomparable privilege. But no, I am not at all excited about seeing it come to an end. I'm a big fan of civilization. I'm quite certain that watching it wind down is not going to be fun at all.

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Post by [deleted] »

frabbit wrote: post #176
aosmond wrote: post #144

I am always amazed at the level of denial among the people. I speak of the comments to this article, not the young people in question. The IPCC reports are quite conservative. The reason the 2021 reports were so dire is because they began including some of the feedback loop modeling the scientists preparing the report have become more confident in. More is in the pipeline. Somewhere along the line, it got political.…

People are not even "selfish". Wanting a nice, stable, predictable environment just like you have had it all your life could be categorized as selfish. And that's fine. Taking a massive gamble on injecting huge amounts of energy into a system which looks like it will be destabilized is just..... foolish? stupid? I dunno. According to the Canadaland podcast there is a recent survey taken during the federal election ca…

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Post by perryizgr8 »

aosmond wrote: post #144

I am always amazed at the level of denial among the people. I speak of the comments to this article, not the young people in question. The IPCC reports are quite conservative. The reason the 2021 reports were so dire is because they began including some of the feedback loop modeling the scientists preparing the report have become more confident in. More is in the pipeline. Somewhere along the line, it got political.…

> You don't have to look very far to see our supply chain impacted by nature.

Why would that be a problem? Everything is impacted by nature, always has been.

> Pandemics such as COVID were and are predicted to become more frequent.

Key word is "predicted". Most of the alarmist predictions tend to be exaggerating either the effect itself, or its impact on us.

> My local supermarket doesn't just have higher prices, the selection has gone down in many categories

I think this is your local supermarket's problem. The supermarket I go to has better selection than ever, and prices are not any higher.

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