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Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by justicezyx »

dillondoyle wrote: post #129
justicezyx wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the parent post is talking about the distance to the main land...

Maybe I'm not understanding? But my point is in both cases - unless there is really huge news I missed - both China and the US did not enter actual territorial waters with military vessels. The US transits the strait so China's large claims don't have legitimacy. It'd be like the us claiming any ships sailing around cuba are in our waters.

If all other countries park their military weaponry at the same distance as US weaponry to their own home land, the US border will be packed with all sorts of killing machines from a lot of countries. That's the point.

As for how long is the actual distance, well, that doesn't matter much.

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Post by finiteseries »

pphysch wrote: post #64
president wrote: post #52

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It has escalated in the past few years but they've been preparing for decades. Last month, Chinese warships were spotted [1] near Alaska. I find it strange that these acts of aggression are not known by your average American citizen. [1] https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3148725/us-...

Until the Chinese have carriers perpetually parked in the Gulf of Mexico, they haven't even begun to reciprocate Washington's naval aggression in the South China Sea.

It will never cease to amaze me how often we forget the absurd balance of power involved here.

There is an island across a tiny strait away from China’s mainland that literally claims… the mainland. It has existed for 80 years. It’s now kinda sorta being dealt with as a power would, but even that’s questionable, and even that strait is not even important to the region. This entire struggle is happening while Malacca is just sitting right there in the US’s Infinity Gauntlet with the Hormuz, Suez, Panama etc. Wild.

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Post by finiteseries »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #74
pphysch wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until the Chinese have carriers perpetually parked in the Gulf of Mexico, they haven't even begun to reciprocate Washington's naval aggression in the South China Sea.

A better analogy would be closer to California, because the US is protecting trade routes.

California is an import-consumer-product route for the US.

SCS is an export-everything/import-food-energy-also-basically-everything route for China.

Gulf of Mexico + Caribbean would be a far closer comparison with whatever non North American US exports that exist going out through there, and eg Cuba, Venezuela & all the other nations vs California’s fish.

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Post by sfifs »

xxpor wrote: post #71
kesselvon wrote: post #65

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Nuclear weapons are a technology that is almost 100 years old, and is old enough for a country like North Korea to pull off. It has a space program with rockets, a nuclear power sector, etc. It's the thing you do when you want all the pieces for a potential nuclear weapons program without signaling that you're looking to develop a nuclear weapons program. I think the current contemporary estimate is that Japan could…

Note I didn't ask if Japan could make a fission weapon. I have no doubt they could in relatively short order. I also don't doubt given enough time, they could assemble a fusion weapon, they have the resources and smarts. But 6-12 months I think is probably too long in a crisis situation.

> But 6-12 months I think is probably too long in a crisis situation.

Yes and therefore it stands to reason that they probably already have weapons ready (but maybe in a disassembled state) and simply don't disclose it.

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Post by secondaryacct »

tablespoon wrote: post #72
schuke wrote: post #14

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Basic Orwell 101: Eternal war is a prerequisite for totalitarian rule. The war doesn't have to be real but the appearance of war or preparations for war is a must. Look at North Korea. It's almost always on brink of war with the South. China is moving in NK's direction so people feel war is coming. It's not, it's just that China is becoming more totalitarian. The ruling class don't care, don't want and actually canno…

> Basic Orwell 101: Eternal war is a prerequisite for totalitarian rule. I like Orwell, but people schematize real things into his examples too much, especially 1984. It's better to pay attention to the real thing as it is. For instance, I think it's a serious possibility that China will mainly use economic power to expand its empire, by using markets to foster dependency in ways you can't really do if you've swallow…

You probably transfer a lot of your own behaviour to us. Im not saying you're entirely wrong but look how many people in this article alone agreed to be quoted by an american newspaper to bemoan a gov initiative.

China gives you the illusion it can target its people toward enemies, but the truth is we dont care all that much to "expand an empire". We'd do the minimum if forced, as always.

If we could first make Hong Kong happy, that'd be a good first step :D

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Post by PikachuEXE »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #4

What the CCP's been doing over the past couple of months is worrying. I wish there were a nicer explanation but it almost looks like they're preparing for war, or at least increasing confrontation.

That should be "past couple of years" not months.

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Post by worrycue »

mullen wrote: post #94
esyir wrote: post #67

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The solution for Taiwan is obvious. Nuclearization. The only way for a country of that size to resist a superpower is to ensure that that superpower loses their capital if they dare bite.

This would be a terrible idea for Taiwan since every country that supports Taiwan is down wind of China. South Korea, Japan and the US do not want nuclear fallout coming over their territory. It makes coming to Taiwan's aid a lot more difficult both logistically and politically.

Wouldn’t that motivate the other countries more to help out so it doesn’t come to Taiwan launching nukes and irradiating the entire region?

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Post by worrycue »

tablespoon wrote: post #91
ginko wrote: post #85

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It's you who brought up MAD. For a small country like Taiwan it may be enough to make the attack painful enough that it's not worth it to larger power. This essentially was(and is) Switzerland's defence strategy.

> For a small country like Taiwan it may be enough to make the attack painful enough that it's not worth it to larger power. This essentially was(and is) Switzerland's defence strategy. It's worth noting that China isn't just "a larger power," it has a particular fixation on Taiwan. It may not be deterred as easily as you think. IIRC, Taiwan acquiring nuclear weapons is one of their stated red lines that would trigge…

Doesn’t matter if the CCP has a fixation on Taiwan. It will still have to take public opinion into consideration. People who are at risk of getting nuked aren’t going to take the CCP’s reckless behaviour sitting down. The CCP will have quite a mess on its hands.

P.S. Their military might not even be willing to invade if Taiwan is going to be lobbing nukes left and right, and possibly right into the invading force. Look at how China had to redrawn from their skirmish with India after they lose a few people to weather - and simply because the troops wanted to head home for Chinese New Year.

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Post by grapist420 »

jeswin wrote: post #24
trompetenaccoun wrote: post #4

What the CCP's been doing over the past couple of months is worrying. I wish there were a nicer explanation but it almost looks like they're preparing for war, or at least increasing confrontation.

Indeed. In other CCP news, they forced a Colorado highschool to edit their website to say Taiwan is a province of China. The school complied, so that the kids could attend United Nations Commission on the Status of Women. [1] 1: https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-makes-sure-everyone-write...

they have been doing this for a long time
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