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You see the same misconception with environmental regulations, it makes for some interesting (though frustrating) discussions though.
You see the same misconceptions in the other direction as well. It's like some people think a work stoppage from cleaning up a dead worker or hazardous material spill don't result in lost productivity that workplaces would rather not incur.
How factories were made safe
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#62The audacity of that tangent at the end. "Natural and inevitable"? People fought and died for your 40 hour work week. You know May Day? The Labor Day for the rest of the world? Commemorates the Haymarket Massacre, which was fighting for the 8 hour work day.
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Both. All?
Granted, Hacker News is banned for causing depression in too many people :D Mozilla went bankrupt because too many ~~idiots~~ outstanding citizens tripped and fell while using Firefox. YouTube was banned for causing deaths with their irresponsible use of information. Who knew fixing a car, building a high powered laser or eating a Tide pod is dangerous? Not the users' fault.
I learnt to code believing it would let me live a meaningful and productive life. I was wrong.
I see all these wonderful innovations happening and I miss out on their benefits.
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#64This attitude survives, not only in the workplace (where safety laws are often fought as "needless red tape") but outside it too (your poverty is due to carelessness, and is nobody else's responsibility).
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#65> Thus, accidents were typically attributed to worker “carelessness.” This attitude survives, not only in the workplace (where safety laws are often fought as "needless red tape") but outside it too (your poverty is due to carelessness, and is nobody else's responsibility).
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#66> Thus, accidents were typically attributed to worker “carelessness.” This attitude survives, not only in the workplace (where safety laws are often fought as "needless red tape") but outside it too (your poverty is due to carelessness, and is nobody else's responsibility).
This is true, we have the ability to house every homeless person. There are more second vacation homes than homeless people. Why not just move them in? I'm not even talking about the ones available for rent - just the ones sitting there empty.
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#67We managed to make factories safe but kill 1.3 M people/year in traffic instead [1]
I wonder: will we ever manage to apply systems thinking in traffic as well?
[1] https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/road-traffi...
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#68Roots of Progress explores a fascinating and critically vital question, but does so under ideological blinders and using manifestly obvious rhetorical techniques (strawman arguments, blame-the-victim, historical revisionism) which hugely impair the entire project. Tremendous potential. Miserable accomplishment.
This particular article is actually pretty informative ... until the dialog at the end. And in it, he's approving of a _strict liability_ scheme. I doubt most other pro-business ideologues would approve of a law that 'simplifies' legal disputes by mandating that the business always lose the case. (In fact, there's currently an effort to overturn New York's Scaffolding Law, and the arguments fall in line with that det…
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#69> The lack of systems thinking We managed to make factories safe but kill 1.3 M people/year in traffic instead [1] I wonder: will we ever manage to apply systems thinking in traffic as well? [1] https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/road-traffi...
None of that would be popular, but it would be effective.
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This is true, we have the ability to house every homeless person. There are more second vacation homes than homeless people. Why not just move them in? I'm not even talking about the ones available for rent - just the ones sitting there empty.
As far as I understand, we do have the physical capability of housing that many people, but a significant number of the homeless are drug addicted, have mental illness, or both, and attempts to provide housing in mass like that leads to many of the houses becoming filthy and/or damaged. And who would want to give up a house for that? Homelessness can't just be solved with a housing band-aid, but needs to be addressed…