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Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
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#172Why? Probably because everyone and their uncle self-diagnosed a bad cold as COVID-19 and plenty more would lie about having natural immunity. Still I don't understand the current approach to COVID in the US. Vaccines are safe and available yet we only just approved the use in children under 12. I have heard second hand many doctors are downplaying the importance of the vaccine for people under 18. On the other hand p…
> Why? Probably because everyone and their uncle self-diagnosed a bad cold as COVID-19 and plenty more would lie about having natural immunity.
Serology is a thing, as are records of positive test results. Also, in many cases, "proof of vaccination" includes a cell phone photo of the piece of paper they handed out when you got a vaccine, so as it stands, lying is pretty easy.
> Vaccines are safe and available yet we only just approved the use in children under 12.
We don't know they are safe for children under 12. Pediatrics is a profession precisely because "children are not just small adults". Something that is safe for adults isn't automatically safe for children.
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
13 times actually https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v... I think this will be more relevant to vaccinating kids: If this result holds for kids as well, and considering that Covid is not dangerous for kids, maybe kids are better off getting covid
No, of course they are not, hence why we are vaccinating them. This is fud. (Is this the dumbest argument yet? "If you just get COVID, you will have the best protection against COVID!"? I take it the dead people have the best protection to offer yet?)
The silver lining of the covid pandemic is that kids have at a minuscule risk of covid complications. Smaller than flu, both hospitalizations and fatalities.
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#174... yeah, this is not going to be a productive comment thread. Sadly, COVID has been so politicized that I tend to say "sit down, shut up, and let the public health people drive". Even if they're wrong, they're close-enough to right to satisfy me and that's better than opening public health up to debate.
I agree that these discussions aren't very productive, but I take a different approach: let people decide for themselves.
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#175A recent study from Israel said that natural immunity is an order of magnitude better than vaccine-induced immunity against delta variant. I don't know who to believe, but if that's the case, then the narrative of "well they should get vaccinated anyway" is really freaking suspicious. We need deeper research on this, and the fact that they haven't researched this is truly scary.
I think the biggest issue is that a lot of people think they had covid previously but didn't get tested so they don't really know. I thought I had covid early in the pandemic. Took a serology test and found out that I had not had it. I suspect a lot of people that think they had it are the same.
>Took a serology test and found out that I had not had it.
How soon after you were ill? Aren't the antibodies nigh undetectable XX weeks after you recover?
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#176That would shrink vaccine market in US by at least 70-80M. No sane politician would do that. Like with private prisons they got to provide the promised body count no matter what.
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
i don’t see how it’d be wasteful to know how many people have natural immunity. seems quite useful actually even if we determine they should still get vaccine
You can get to know how many people have natural immunity without testing them all. In a country as large as US it would be enough to test probably one in 10 thousand people to get accurate statistics.
The UK public health officials have been doing random population sampling with antibody tests throughout the pandemic.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan...
Unfortunately that never really happened in the US. There were a few small seroprevalence studies in limited areas at specific times but nothing consistent on a nationwide basis.
Also note that there is more to immunity than antibodies, so assaying antibody levels alone will underestimate the level of immunity in the population. We should also be testing memory cell activity now that a test is approved.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavi...
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#178OP keeps posting articles pushing the idea that COVID-19 infection alone is sufficient to protect individuals.
OP also keeps posting articles pushing the idea that hydrogen and oxygen alone are sufficient to create water.
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, of course they are not, hence why we are vaccinating them. This is fud. (Is this the dumbest argument yet? "If you just get COVID, you will have the best protection against COVID!"? I take it the dead people have the best protection to offer yet?)
The UK vaccine advisory board is not recommending vaccinating teens 12-15, on account that they dont benefit much
Incorrect.
They recommend it, they don’t mandate it.
Re: Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US?
#180Administrative overhead.