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Post by dirtyid »

Retric wrote: post #116
dirtyid wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TW nuclear breakout window is long gone. The island is now thoroughly infiltrated by PRC intelligence. There is no opportunity post 90s to secretly start up a nuclear program without getting glassed by PRC first, and with full endorsement from every nuclear power who doesn't want to see nukes proliferate to mid-tier nations.

That’s a very optimistic take on PRC intelligence operations. Historically countries simply aren’t nearly as good at gathering intelligence as you might think. Further we don’t know what intelligence the PRC has gathered. If China believes Taiwan has nuclear weapons or the capacity to assemble them quickly, there is going to be very little change in rhetoric from China.

There's no reason to talk in generalities. PRC's thorough infiltration of TW military/industry and fact that ROC military brass are prodominantly KMT with pro-PRC sympathies has been intelligence consensus for decades. This isn't speculation, it's more or less accepted fact that guides US selling TW 2nd/3rd tier weapon platforms because they know anything that filters to TW military will finds it's way to PRC. Like everyone knows Israel intelligence has been very proficient in infiltrating Iran's nuclear program. PRC infiltration of TW is more comprehensive on whole of society level. No reason to pretend otherwise.

To your edit: any credible nuclear break out threat from TW would be taken out within 10minutes from PRC rocketry. Of all PRC redlines, the most serious are TW ones. PRC has fought with nuclear USSR and US over less important core interests while PRC wasn't nuclear. PRC will absolutely preemptively crush any TW nuclear efforts.

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Post by nix23 »

ketralnis wrote: post #100
pphysch wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For some perspective, this is still nothing compared to what the government of Israel has recently achieved in manipulating the American education system [1]. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws#Amawi_v._Pfluger...

Two things can be bad

And three can be too, but it's not possible to talk about two at once.

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by Retric »

dirtyid wrote: post #121
Retric wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a very optimistic take on PRC intelligence operations. Historically countries simply aren’t nearly as good at gathering intelligence as you might think. Further we don’t know what intelligence the PRC has gathered. If China believes Taiwan has nuclear weapons or the capacity to assemble them quickly, there is going to be very little change in rhetoric from China.

There's no reason to talk in generalities. PRC's thorough infiltration of TW military/industry and fact that ROC military brass are prodominantly KMT with pro-PRC sympathies has been intelligence consensus for decades. This isn't speculation, it's more or less accepted fact that guides US selling TW 2nd/3rd tier weapon platforms because they know anything that filters to TW military will finds it's way to PRC. Like e…

I don’t disagree that the PRC is gathering a lot of intelligence, but that’s a long way from saying they gather all relevant information.

As to a preemptive strike that’s extremely unprecedented for China. It would definitely be considered at the highest levels, but would they act is a much larger question especially if they discovered functional nuclear weapons. Taiwan meanwhile benefits of China did such a strike on a non nuclear weapon manufacturing factory so could be giving them false intelligence etc. This stuff just has a lot more uncertainty than you might assume.

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Post by justicezyx »

schuke wrote: post #14
trompetenaccoun wrote: post #4

What the CCP's been doing over the past couple of months is worrying. I wish there were a nicer explanation but it almost looks like they're preparing for war, or at least increasing confrontation.

Basic Orwell 101: Eternal war is a prerequisite for totalitarian rule. The war doesn't have to be real but the appearance of war or preparations for war is a must. Look at North Korea. It's almost always on brink of war with the South. China is moving in NK's direction so people feel war is coming. It's not, it's just that China is becoming more totalitarian. The ruling class don't care, don't want and actually canno…

LMAO...

Blaming war preparation on totalitarianism...

Do you know why CCP geared up military? Because the bombimg on Chinese embassy by US [1] and war plane collision off Chinese border [2].

That scared the shit out of CCP. It just shows that US always retain military option against them. And plant the deepest resentment towards US in Chinese citizens. CCP literally need to actively suppress the anti US sentiment to avoid affecting the business relationship.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_bombing_of_the...

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by justicezyx »

dillondoyle wrote: post #114
pphysch wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until the Chinese have carriers perpetually parked in the Gulf of Mexico, they haven't even begun to reciprocate Washington's naval aggression in the South China Sea.

I don't think following maritime law is aggression. From my understanding, CCPs claims to islands and waters become legitimate if we cede the ground under maritime law.

No, the parent post is talking about the distance to the main land...

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by star-trek-fleet »

bakuninsbart wrote: post #50
jack_riminton wrote: post #23

Was the cracking down always the plan for the CCP? use capitalism to rise the tide and then once everything has been modernised take control again?

It depends on what you mean by crackdown. On capitalism? Yes, and they've been really clear about it. China still has the official plan to introduce socialism by 2050, capitalist freedoms were never meant to be permanent. Now by 2050, the CCP is also supposed to be merely taking a backseat roll and the society will be equal and free. I think that's the contentious point within the CCP. Xi is part of the hardline left…

> China still has the official plan to introduce socialism by 2050

Where did you get this?

Socialism is installed in China in 1960s, as we were told in text book.

If there was such a plan to start socialism in China in 2050, that must be invented after 2008 after I left China.

As for what is really socialism, the definitions I see so far are as colorful as capitalism. You might be referring some definition of socialism you saw from Chinese source, or some translated sources?

It's becoming more and more clear that China is more of a political imagination for venting, at least on HN.

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Post by pphysch »

toxik wrote: post #119
pphysch wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Whataboutism" remains one of the most self-destructive inventions of Cold War propaganda. Dismissing context because it makes "your side" look hypocritical or undermines a narrative (in this case, "CCP is uniquely evil") is no way to understand geopolitics.

I, and HN it seems, disagree. Israel’s anti-BDS tactics provided little interesting context while moving the discussion to an unrelated topic.

It is extremely relevant to provide context for what the baseline/expected behavior is when discussing a particular instance of it.

Otherwise, false assumptions replace the facts: "US allies would never interfere with our domestic education system, only bad guys do that!".

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Post by dillondoyle »

justicezyx wrote: post #126
dillondoyle wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think following maritime law is aggression. From my understanding, CCPs claims to islands and waters become legitimate if we cede the ground under maritime law.

No, the parent post is talking about the distance to the main land...

Maybe I'm not understanding? But my point is in both cases - unless there is really huge news I missed - both China and the US did not enter actual territorial waters with military vessels. The US transits the strait so China's large claims don't have legitimacy. It'd be like the us claiming any ships sailing around cuba are in our waters.

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Post by star-trek-fleet »

Loic wrote: post #15
trompetenaccoun wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would never happen. Musk wants to sell cars in China, Tesla has important factories there as well. The Chinese government has a lot more leverage when it comes to these companies, they could simply shut them down without warning and crash the shareholder's stocks.

They will do it. The 100-year-CCP discourse of Xi clearly stated that he wants CCP to be self-sufficient. He will simply take control of all the West assets in China once he considers that the West cannot do anything against the takeover. West : in the sense everything but China.

Well, you certainly underestimate Mr. Xi. He wants his state-owned enterprise to be so efficient and innovative that, it's useless to own the worse foreign assets. After all, Mr. Xi believe that his state owned enterprise will produce the best and the most desirable products on the market. Without foreign assets, the world would not open their market to Mr. Xi then. The same capitalism logic...
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