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Facebook knows Instagram is toxic for teen girls, company documents show

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Re: Facebook knows Instagram is toxic for teen girls, company documents show

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Post by tommymachine »

makeworld wrote: post #474
jlkuester7 wrote: post #472

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Wait, what? Why should intellectual homogeneity be a requirement (or expectation) for coworkers? That seems like the opposite of encouraging diversity.

The key word is "tolerate". If you're gay, you're going to want to be hired by someone who will tolerate you being gay, otherwise you'll have to hide part of yourself and/or be fearful at work.

They used to call keeping your personal life separate from work "being professional". Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here... don't most companies hire people to do a job, not to flaunt who they are in their private lives in a distracting manner?

Re: Facebook knows Instagram is toxic for teen girls, company documents show

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Post by noduerme »

danuker wrote: post #466
uniqueid wrote: post #459

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It used to be that if you were queer - in any sense of the word - and lived in one of the countless small, conservative, traditional communities in this country, you were shit out of luck. As bad as that was, in the past you could move to another of the 380,000 towns on this planet. Today, if your social media trail renders you unemployable (or the target of persecution) there's no longer any corner of the planet to…

You probably wouldn't want to get hired by someone who wouldn't tolerate (if not share) your views.

Is this a defense of cancel culture, or saying that ruining someone's career is in all cases appropriate since they must have view X which they wouldn't share with an employer? It's actually rather hard to know the views of people who've been mobbed on social media, since millions of other voices drown them out and make assumptions without them having a proper chance to defend themselves. Moreover, an employer may believe such a person to not hold noxious views, and still find them unemployable because of the social media backlash. Are you seriously arguing in favor of mob justice on the basis that the victims of internet mobs should be happy to not be employed by someone they disagree with politically?

Re: Facebook knows Instagram is toxic for teen girls, company documents show

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Post by uniqueid »

danuker wrote: post #466
uniqueid wrote: post #459

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It used to be that if you were queer - in any sense of the word - and lived in one of the countless small, conservative, traditional communities in this country, you were shit out of luck. As bad as that was, in the past you could move to another of the 380,000 towns on this planet. Today, if your social media trail renders you unemployable (or the target of persecution) there's no longer any corner of the planet to…

You probably wouldn't want to get hired by someone who wouldn't tolerate (if not share) your views.

That depends on the salary and the caché of the position. Plenty of people will put up with an asshole boss if the price is right, or to fast-track a career.

Re: Facebook knows Instagram is toxic for teen girls, company documents show

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Post by germinalphrase »

zepto wrote: post #440
germinalphrase wrote: post #433

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Private sales aren’t illegal, but - yes - guns are easily available (legal or not) in the United States.

Guns are widely available to anyone who wants to break the law. The claim that this is because people can drive to others states is false. For everyone else, how available they are depends on where you live.

Yes, I agree with everything your are saying. On a practical level, guns are available to anyone who wants one. Regional and city level restrictions only create a mild level of friction.

Re: Facebook knows Instagram is toxic for teen girls, company documents show

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Post by _bfhp »

kansface wrote: post #442
___luigi wrote: post #133

It is disappointing to read some comments saying that "It is not FB/Insta's fault?". Those who don't see the challenges that these teens go through is clearly delusional. While there are some good things in the tech, it clearly has a negative side that impact children's mental health through unrealistic beauty standards, and trap them into dopamine loops. I still believe that ranking/recommendation models should be o…

> Those who don't see the challenges that these teens go through is clearly delusional. No one is debating the challenges of coming of age in the age of the Internet. I'd disagree that its entirely FB's fault as if the rest of society, kids and parents alike, lack all agency to make sound choices - that they must passively consume and be consumed by all that FB offers... or that theses sorts of problems are best addr…

Young girls lack agency, that's been the general consensus of the human race for a very long time save for the extreme right wing and some relatively new corners of the left. Always good to examine the structural inequality that Instagram magnifies (guardians and the media enforcing beauty standards) but children have zero responsibility in this case.

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Post by jxramos »

pmarreck wrote: post #406
dweekly wrote: post #337

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"Foods containing sugar have been found to save lives in a number of studies." "Regular smoking use is associated with lower BMI, which is shown to correlate with improved heart health and lower mortality rates." "Use of fossil fuels powers a number of ecology-preserving tasks, allowing us to care for the environment in a way we could not without this amazing source of Earth-loving fuel."

Love it. It still needs a name. Here let me try: Disproportionate benefit insinuation error: Implying (without explicitly stating that it has more benefits than disadvantages because that would be a disprovable lie) that because something has some benefit, it is overall helpful. Or just "plausible deniability"- factually stating the existence of a beneficial tree, but omitting mention of the harmful forest Or just "c…

maybe a good contraction would be a disbeni

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Post by true_religion »

bumby wrote: post #368
smithza wrote: post #283

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I will say emphatically that parents of teens are the most influential people in their lives, whether acknowledged or no. It is likely the case that parents will forever be the most influential people in someone's life and the positions you take, the behaviors you engage in, and what you teach will stick with them for their whole lives. Take a stance and teach them. They may rebel, they may not, but years down the ro…

> I will say emphatically that parents of teens are the most influential people in their lives I don't work in behavioral science, but this isn't my understanding. I was under the impression that research indicates peers are the larger influence, which can be tempered somewhat by parents. For an easy example, whether or not peers smoke is a better predictor than whether parents smoke.

Sure but in the long run parents can choose the peer group for children.

Re: Facebook knows Instagram is toxic for teen girls, company documents show

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Post by _bfhp »

richwater wrote: post #452
revel wrote: post #153

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Can we please not react to this article by immediately blaming teenage girls? You have an article that shows one of the most powerful corporations in the world exploiting teenagers to boost revenues and lying about it in testimony before congress. That's the story.

> exploiting teenagers Anyone, at any time, can stop using Facebook or Instagram with 0 repercussions.

Children don't have the agency/brain development to take care of themselves in the presence of societal and peer pressure. This is the basis of many, many laws, social mores, and taboos.

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Post by cbtacy »

reayn wrote: post #331
___luigi wrote: post #133

It is disappointing to read some comments saying that "It is not FB/Insta's fault?". Those who don't see the challenges that these teens go through is clearly delusional. While there are some good things in the tech, it clearly has a negative side that impact children's mental health through unrealistic beauty standards, and trap them into dopamine loops. I still believe that ranking/recommendation models should be o…

It's safe to assume that the majority of the people on both this specific post and this website as a whole are not teenagers, thus probably can't understand how the situation is like for us.

Yup.

Re: Facebook knows Instagram is toxic for teen girls, company documents show

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Post by thewarrior »

blakesterz wrote: post #2

https://archive.is/egPlc “The research that we’ve seen is that using social apps to connect with other people can have positive mental-health benefits,” CEO Mark Zuckerberg said at a congressional hearing... “We make body image issues worse for one in three teen girls,” said one slide from 2019, summarizing research about teen girls who experience the issues. “Teens blame Instagram for increases in the rate of anxiet…

I find it interesting that Instagram promoting celebrity culture has provoked such a backlash but the Chinese governments attempts to tackle the same on their streaming platforms is seen as misguided.
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