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> and a large portion are more than happy to spout things they would NEVER say in real life This is pretty much an internet problem, not a Facebook problem. The things people say to each other on forums or Twitter or Facebook, especially when anonymous (but not always), are quite often horrendous.

True, and the cat can't be put back in the bag, so it's up to the collective "us", who build the Internet, to rediscover our moral imperative to fix what's broken... and Facebook is a huge chunk of this brokenness.

You're assuming people have morals to appeal to - most don't. When everyone is connected to everyone else the asshole always prevail. The solution is to sever the connections.

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Yes, but on flipside said girl now can and fully expects to be courted by best boys well outside of 1995 logistic reach.

Please reflect on the circumstances in your life that lead you to this belief. In my experience this is a very toxic viewpoint and couldn't be further from the truth. If anything I'd argue that more than ever both women and men are searching for authenticity in a partner. Something increasingly difficult to come by in our social media fueled world. Sure, there is a subset on both sides that has been completely sucked…

I don't believe that is a toxic belief. Or even a belief at all. It's just human psychology.

Simply put, any man or woman with a lot of choices would be less invested in any of the options presented.

Re: Facebook knows Instagram is toxic for teen girls, company documents show

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https://archive.is/egPlc “The research that we’ve seen is that using social apps to connect with other people can have positive mental-health benefits,” CEO Mark Zuckerberg said at a congressional hearing... “We make body image issues worse for one in three teen girls,” said one slide from 2019, summarizing research about teen girls who experience the issues. “Teens blame Instagram for increases in the rate of anxiet…

On the other hand, teens blaming Instagram does not mean Instagram actually has that effect.

there was this absolutely devastating graphic about rising suicide rates of teen girls which coincided with mobiles and especially instagram. Sorry can't find it right now.

Re: Facebook knows Instagram is toxic for teen girls, company documents show

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I don't blame Facebook (or Twitter, or any particular company) for this. We can only blame scale . Some things are much more scalable than others, and "beauty" scales. And the "occurrence of beauty" does, too. Before the advent of scale on almost every aspect of our lives, a local musician or theatre group found easy income. Now, since after the invention of gramophones, more people can listen to less and less musici…

I mean...who else but Facebook (or Twitter, or any particular company) enabled this scale? I am not advocating for any stance here, but your argument reads a bit like "I don't blame gun manufacturers for gun deaths, I blame sharp solid metal objects travelling through brains at 3000 km/h"

I think a more charitable interpretation is that no specific gun company is responsible for gun deaths, as long as it remains legal to manufacture and sell guns, there's going to be somebody out there selling them because the technology/profitability is there.

Re: Facebook knows Instagram is toxic for teen girls, company documents show

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post #66

I don't blame Facebook (or Twitter, or any particular company) for this. We can only blame scale . Some things are much more scalable than others, and "beauty" scales. And the "occurrence of beauty" does, too. Before the advent of scale on almost every aspect of our lives, a local musician or theatre group found easy income. Now, since after the invention of gramophones, more people can listen to less and less musici…

Yes, Nassim Taleb comments on those extensively in his books. He calls the world we live in today "Extremistan" and the world from before the age of connectivity "Mediocristan". In essence, things are more and more inclined to be distributed with a power law in today's world as people and things are more and more connected and distributed.

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Is it Facebook / Instagram's fault or us as a culture? As a culture we adore beauty, wealth, power...Facebook seems to be just a platform where our natural desires can have a play. Facebook hasn't created this impossible beauty ideal, it was created long long ago by Hollywood and the fashion industry. Facebook just makes it super easy for people to become obsessed with something by "connecting" with it. It used to be…

I've never really believed it was Hollywood or the fashion industry that created it. People know who's attractive in their circle. You compete with them. The magazines and ads have upped the ante, and facebook turned it into an addiction, but the mechanism was there all along, I think.

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When does a vice of society get created and the creator not know of its harmful effects? Rarely, it seems. In actuality, though, as much as I think it's obvious that Instagram was designed specifically for the mindset of teens (and incidentally the countless with Peter Pan syndrome), it's too easy for us to simply blame Facebook. We are also responsible for raising our children to a certain level of emotional maturit…

It’s because every generation is very good at teaching the platform of comparison. Take just software developers for a second, we are drowning in the Leetcode unrealistic beauty standard. Young men/woman/teens are comparing and narcissistically validating on these social networks. The extra sad thing is some don’t grow out of it and keep doing it into middle age, on the same childish platforms.

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Not girls fault(too young too know) not facebooks (they know but don't force it on anyone, society does) fault. Parents fault.

It's hard to raise kids, it's hard to be a parent, it's very hard to raise a good kid.

It's always been like that, just amplified by a factor of 100k with apps being with you at all times.

Kids are easy impressed by superficial things, try your best so your kid does not fall victim to this. Not by censorship, that will have adversarial effects.

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Is it Facebook / Instagram's fault or us as a culture? As a culture we adore beauty, wealth, power...Facebook seems to be just a platform where our natural desires can have a play. Facebook hasn't created this impossible beauty ideal, it was created long long ago by Hollywood and the fashion industry. Facebook just makes it super easy for people to become obsessed with something by "connecting" with it. It used to be…

> As a culture we adore beauty, wealth, power To be fair, humanity has adored these three traits throughout history. This adoration is somewhat built into us naturally. Our current culture certainly amplifies and capitalizes on it. Facebook is a big player within the current culture.

Re: Facebook knows Instagram is toxic for teen girls, company documents show

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post #66

I don't blame Facebook (or Twitter, or any particular company) for this. We can only blame scale . Some things are much more scalable than others, and "beauty" scales. And the "occurrence of beauty" does, too. Before the advent of scale on almost every aspect of our lives, a local musician or theatre group found easy income. Now, since after the invention of gramophones, more people can listen to less and less musici…

>I don't blame Facebook (or Twitter, or any particular company) for this. We can only blame scale.

That's very convenient for the execs and shareholders at Facebook and Twitter.

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