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Stripe banned us for payment disputes but we never had a single dispute

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Re: Stripe banned us for payment disputes but we never had a single dispute

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What scares me most is what happens when this happens to you and you can't get to the HN front-page? Will you get the same resolution from Stripe/Google/Apple/Aws if it didn't?

Making the front-page is often random luck I think, which is also why I personally always upvote such submissions when I find the person making it is a solopreneur/small company - as this may be their last and final resort to get things sorted.

Re: Stripe banned us for payment disputes but we never had a single dispute

#162
post #108

(Stripe cofounder.) Ugh, apologies. Something very clearly went wrong here and we’re already investigating. Zooming out, a few broader comments: * Unlike most services, Stripe can easily lose very large amounts of money on individual accounts, and thousands of people try to do so every day. We are de facto running a big bug bounty/incentive program for evading our fraudulent user detection systems. * Errors like thes…

I'm a little skeptical knowing that Stripe never publicly addressed why they banned LaunchGood.

https://tinyletter.com/blauvelt/letters/looking-forward-afte...

Re: Stripe banned us for payment disputes but we never had a single dispute

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post #108

(Stripe cofounder.) Ugh, apologies. Something very clearly went wrong here and we’re already investigating. Zooming out, a few broader comments: * Unlike most services, Stripe can easily lose very large amounts of money on individual accounts, and thousands of people try to do so every day. We are de facto running a big bug bounty/incentive program for evading our fraudulent user detection systems. * Errors like thes…

> We actually have an ongoing project to reduce the occurrence of these mistaken rejections by 90% by the end of this year. I think we’ll succeed at it. (They’re already down 50% since earlier this year.)

More important than that is provide a way for people to get this revolved without having to make the front page of HN.

Re: Stripe banned us for payment disputes but we never had a single dispute

#164
post #108

(Stripe cofounder.) Ugh, apologies. Something very clearly went wrong here and we’re already investigating. Zooming out, a few broader comments: * Unlike most services, Stripe can easily lose very large amounts of money on individual accounts, and thousands of people try to do so every day. We are de facto running a big bug bounty/incentive program for evading our fraudulent user detection systems. * Errors like thes…

Sorry to say that, but the fact that founders have to post on Hacker News to get necessary support from Stripe in case something like this happens, gives the impression that your reply is just reputation damage control, and nothing will actually change.

Re: Stripe banned us for payment disputes but we never had a single dispute

#165
post #108

(Stripe cofounder.) Ugh, apologies. Something very clearly went wrong here and we’re already investigating. Zooming out, a few broader comments: * Unlike most services, Stripe can easily lose very large amounts of money on individual accounts, and thousands of people try to do so every day. We are de facto running a big bug bounty/incentive program for evading our fraudulent user detection systems. * Errors like thes…

Random aside: Please look into supporting processing for sex toys!

Re: Stripe banned us for payment disputes but we never had a single dispute

#166
Am I correct that the Free Trial Card would essentially allow your users to generate a new credit card so that they can repeat a service's free trial period over and over and never have any intention of actually paying?

I know there are other uses as well, but could definitely see this service being a magnet for users who intend to defraud the actual services where these cards are being used.

Re: Stripe banned us for payment disputes but we never had a single dispute

#167
post #146

UPDATE from Justuseapp.com: Stripe has reached out to us and working together, we have resolved this issue and our account has been re-enabled. I cannot thank Hacker News enough. Running a business all these years has been hard and full of Ups and downs. I do not recommend it for the faint-hearted. Until this morning, I had almost given up hope that our business was dead. Thanks for bringing us back from the dead HN.

from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28524077 > it looks like JustUseApp was collecting money for the virtual cards by pushing through unauthorised payments to the users original card. > Additionally in the EU, the introduction of Strong Customer Authentication basically makes these types of transaction completely illegal Was this the case?

No it wasn't.

All payments must be manually authenticated. I have replied the parent comment.

Re: Stripe banned us for payment disputes but we never had a single dispute

#168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, if you’re willing to break the law and risk the consequences, you can get up to all sorts of stuff. Same as anything? Like, “So, if I want to disrupt a competitor, all I have to do is hire thugs to smash all their stuff?” Yeah, that’d do it. Good luck.

You’d need to come close to 1% in total charges. That’s roughly what Visa and MasterCard set as limits. This would work with anyone who accepts credit cards, not just Stripe customers.

Assuming their a competitor 1% seems like a small tax to pay to gain the entire market share.

Re: Stripe banned us for payment disputes but we never had a single dispute

#169

I went through the same thing. Some ML algorithm at Stripe randomly classified my business (bog standard WooCommerce/WordPress e-Commerce store selling a single product in low volumes) as a risk and I found that the process for escalating it was Kafkaesque and slow. Switched to Pin Payments[1] shortly after that experience and have never looked back. Of course, we live in the 2021 century and algorithms will flag iss…

This product was leaning heavily on Stripe’s issuing API, so I don’t think pin payments is a viable alternative. I’m actually not sure if anybody else is a viable alternative. Is there another service that offers card issuing as an API?

https://docs.adyen.com/issuing

Re: Stripe banned us for payment disputes but we never had a single dispute

#170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand that you probably don't have the power to directly change anything about this, but what does it even mean when a company says they're "improving how they work with businesses in situations like these". Every time some big tech company makes promises like these, nothing really ends up changing. The emails always remain vague templates without details from a seemingly anonymous source. Companies end up cha…

As somebody who helped write that email a while ago, I actually agree with you. We think the improvements we're working on will be pretty tangible—as pc mentioned above, we're not just rewriting the emails, but are working on a project to reduce these types of rejections entirely.

In this case, would that mean justuseapp's account being shut down earlier in the process? Neither your reply nor pc's seem to indicate (to me, at least) that justuseapp is likely to be reinstated and kept as a customer for a long time.
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