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RIP Jekyll (The Genesis of the Jamstack)

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Re: RIP Jekyll (The Genesis of the Jamstack)

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Post by cpach »

cxr wrote: post #109
cxr wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a single binary Well, one program to generate the site, and then an implicit assumption that you'll use another program (your Web browser) at some point to verify the output. If you're into cutting out prereqs when you can, why not cut out one more?

...what's offensive about this?

I wasn’t offended (and I didn’t downvote you) but I failed to see the point you made. Feel free to elaborate. I don’t understand why you mentioned the web browser. Don’t we all take for granted that the user will utilize a web browser to access a website? Be it Chrome or Lynx.

Re: RIP Jekyll (The Genesis of the Jamstack)

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Post by petepete »

abricot wrote: post #42
eatonphil wrote: post #8

Personally I don't find static site generators worth the effort to learn or keep up-to-date as versions inevitably come. I end up just writing my own for each site in 1-200 lines of Python. It's normally just a markdown library and a template engine wrapped with a file system walker. Here's an example: https://github.com/eatonphil/notes.eatonphil.com/blob/master... . It's longer than usual since it embeds parts of th…

You don't find them worth the effort, but you wrote your own?

Nanoc fills this niche quite well. It's more of a SSG toolkit than an SSG.

You build a Rules file with steps for each of your file types and it loops through and builds your site. It comes with Markdown out of the box but you can make it do just about anything.

https://nanoc.app/

Re: RIP Jekyll (The Genesis of the Jamstack)

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

hardwaresofton wrote: post #112
ThinkBeat wrote: post #54

I dont often say this on the internet but WFT? I am autistic. I love coding. A single person can create wonderful software that is a gift to everyone as open source. I hate trying to be an extrovert and engage with a lot of people. I hate twitter and discord Does that mean that I and people like me cannot do open source in 2021? Most of these seem like detriments more than anything. * Engagement on Twitter * Official…

Just don't do any of that stuff if you don't want to. If you're writing software because it's useful to yourself and others and making it open to others to use you do not owe them a place to chat, engagement, a roadmap, a release cycle (or any given release). You can weigh whether you want to do those things Those things are often set up when people want to run software projects with certain goals and if those goals…

> Just don't do any of that stuff if you don't want to.

That's a privilege not everyone can afford. I cannot do real-time communication, So I cannot tolerate discord but GitHub issues are fine but I guess the parent is not fine with that too and that's alright but the answer is 'yes' open-source projects are subject to digital social conformity like so many things.

'like so many things': Just like how a Twitter account with at least 5 digit follower count has become a mandatory for a solopreneur's SaaS product to survive especially more so if the said solopreneur doesn't have other prior networks.

Re: RIP Jekyll (The Genesis of the Jamstack)

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Post by romwell »

a_c wrote: post #68
ThinkBeat wrote: post #54

I dont often say this on the internet but WFT? I am autistic. I love coding. A single person can create wonderful software that is a gift to everyone as open source. I hate trying to be an extrovert and engage with a lot of people. I hate twitter and discord Does that mean that I and people like me cannot do open source in 2021? Most of these seem like detriments more than anything. * Engagement on Twitter * Official…

Good technology alone isn't enough to lead to adoption. Tiddlywiki, imo, is the best personal blogging tools. It is a static site, it got an embedded editor, it got cool concepts realised like transclusion, among many others. Go ask around, I bet hardly anyone talks about it. If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? https://tiddlywiki.com/

>Go ask around, I bet hardly anyone talks about it

Well, I, for one, have built this ADHD resource with it: https://romankogan.net/adhd

Depends on where you ask around, I guess =]

Re: RIP Jekyll (The Genesis of the Jamstack)

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Post by hardwaresofton »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #123
hardwaresofton wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just don't do any of that stuff if you don't want to. If you're writing software because it's useful to yourself and others and making it open to others to use you do not owe them a place to chat, engagement, a roadmap, a release cycle (or any given release). You can weigh whether you want to do those things Those things are often set up when people want to run software projects with certain goals and if those goals…

> Just don't do any of that stuff if you don't want to. That's a privilege not everyone can afford. I cannot do real-time communication, So I cannot tolerate discord but GitHub issues are fine but I guess the parent is not fine with that too and that's alright but the answer is 'yes' open-source projects are subject to digital social conformity like so many things. 'like so many things': Just like how a Twitter accou…

I think you might have misread my comment? I'm saying DO NOT do those things (discord or GH issues, etc)

> 'yes' open-source projects are subject to digital social conformity like so many things.

I whole-heartedly disagree. Maybe what's missing from the internet these days is the backbone to be clear about your own boundaries, but you absolutely do not owe anyone (who is not paying you) support or a place to file issues against your codebase that they don't also maintain.

You are not required to conform to anything you see on the internet (thankfully). This has more to do with your own motivations and goals. If you're making a F/OSS codebase to further your own ambition, then do whatever you think makes sense to get there and good luck.

If I stumble across some brilliant F/OSS work done by someone else for completely free and then released to me for completely free, I have already gained. They owe me nothing past that, and they never owed me anything to begin with.

> 'like so many things': Just like how a Twitter account with at least 5 digit follower count has become a mandatory for a solopreneur's SaaS product to survive especially more so if the said solopreneur doesn't have other prior networks.

Life for entrepreneurs is difficult and risk-laden, and that's why a lot of people don't become entrepreneurs. That fact does not mean the rest of the F/OSS world has to live like solopreneurs.

If you are making a product then it's your perogative to do what makes you successful (if that currently means trying build a "community" then so be it) -- that's your problem. If some person wants to just write software and make it open source so others can see it but doesn't want to maintain a community then that's their own perogative.

Re: RIP Jekyll (The Genesis of the Jamstack)

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Post by cxr »

cpach wrote: post #121
cxr wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...what's offensive about this?

I wasn’t offended (and I didn’t downvote you) but I failed to see the point you made. Feel free to elaborate. I don’t understand why you mentioned the web browser. Don’t we all take for granted that the user will utilize a web browser to access a website? Be it Chrome or Lynx.

> Don’t we all take for granted that the user will utilize a web browser to access a website?

That is my point.

If it is a given that Runtime A is going to be involved, and your angle is to tout the benefit of binary B being to let you to eliminate Runtime C, why even settle for now needing to rely on B? Why wouldn't you try to avoid it as well? Just use A.

Re: RIP Jekyll (The Genesis of the Jamstack)

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Post by approxim8ion »

Exuma wrote: post #4

What do people use besides Jekyll?

I wrote my own static generator in Python using Jinja2. It's very minimal but it works well enough for me. It may not scale well when there are hundreds/thousands of files but it will take a long time for me to hit that.
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