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Ask HN: Can you be openly politically right-leaning in tech in North America?

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Re: Ask HN: Can you be openly politically right-leaning in tech in North America?

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I lean right (fiscally) and sometimes my comments are perceived as unwelcome in group chats. Such topics include afghanistan, covid statistics, are seemingly discouraged. Comments talking about how terrible, racist, and sexist the company is are totally cool. In fact creating a woman's right's channel where the whole purpose is to bash our own employer is also cool. @hereing #general with stories about sexism and how…

You are absolutely spot on. Big tech snuffs out anything contrary to globalism and wokeism. Few days back I mentioned the shift in govt focus to “domestic terrorism” vs the “jihadi terrorism”, the comment was taken out on HN.

While at the same time big tech acts as activist and cheerleader for “domestic terrorists” in India. Supporting a Jan 6 style riot to overturn thr Modi govt disguised as now 18 month long “farmer protest” funded by western globalists.

Bottom line it does not matter what the issue is, the big tech including HN does not tolerate dissenting voices at all - particularly if they are articulate. Let us see how long this comment lasts- 2 mins max.

Re: Ask HN: Can you be openly politically right-leaning in tech in North America?

#52

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pro-life, pro-gun, pro-free speech, lower taxes, tough solutions to vagrancy.

Incredible that “pro free speech” is now a “right” belief. Free speech is perhaps the cornerstone of classical liberalism.

> Incredible that “pro free speech” is now a “right” belief.

Incredible in the sense that it’s not true, yeah.

Re: Ask HN: Can you be openly politically right-leaning in tech in North America?

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, right leaning in the US has come to include views that run counter to science, diversity/inclusivity, and human rights for all (right to vote, right to choose). Are these views welcome in tech companies? Not generally.

It takes a very selective reading of the facts to claim conservatives are any more anti science than liberals, in the US. Whatever hot button issue there is, there will be people who deny whatever the scientific consensus is if it doesn't suit their beliefs. The question is, who would you rather have running things? The guy that thought humans were riding dinosaurs 5000 years ago, or the guy who thinks paying 40 mill…

The voting rights point is interesting. My understanding is that one side wants more verification of eligibility, but the other side is worried that if the approach to verification is too onerous that voter turnout will decrease.

There's seemingly a parallel to the gun control discussion, where again one side wants more verification of eligibility, but the other side is worried that the verification--if applied over-zealously--will be too restrictive.

The two sides are swapped on the two issues, but each time they disagree not necessarily because their fundamental opinions are different, but because they do not trust the other side to be reasonable.

Re: Ask HN: Can you be openly politically right-leaning in tech in North America?

#54
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Could you define the set of beliefs that comprise "right-leaning"? That should help here.

Unfortunately, right leaning in the US has come to include views that run counter to science, diversity/inclusivity, and human rights for all (right to vote, right to choose). Are these views welcome in tech companies? Not generally.

not to paint a sad story but i’ve never had anyone who preached inclusivity ever try and include me in on something, so i’ve always wondered what that word is supposed to mean.

i generally believe that there’s a huge amount of gaslighting going on in the media. misinformation can influence the media to attack a certain group over another as well.

this doesn’t have to be overt. there are other forms of hate and prejudice going on indirectly and not just from a right leaning source as well. some don’t even understand the damage they are causing by trying to “fix” the situation. in a lot of ways it’s making the system worse for everyone.

there’s a saying, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

anyways, full disclosure, i’ve lived in many states where you could vote outside of your registered political party. so i have voted outside of my party if i felt the candidate was a good fit for the job. i think we really ought to consider policy awareness programs, like way before an election.

so we aren’t just bombarded with political affiliated party bias propaganda. how much has the political adverts inspired extremism? then later back paddled after an election is over?

or worse, political gaslighting seems to be the norm these days, it’s a very deceptive practice, and is straight up toxic

Re: Ask HN: Can you be openly politically right-leaning in tech in North America?

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post #3

Could you define the set of beliefs that comprise "right-leaning"? That should help here.

Unfortunately, right leaning in the US has come to include views that run counter to science, diversity/inclusivity, and human rights for all (right to vote, right to choose). Are these views welcome in tech companies? Not generally.

> run counter to science, diversity/inclusivity, and human rights

I see it has "healthy scepticism".

Re: Ask HN: Can you be openly politically right-leaning in tech in North America?

#56
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I could say I don't support or believe in tech censorship, vaccine passports, virtue signaling, BLM, critical race theory, white guilt/privilege and that I don't believe that trans women are women. However, I suspect that it's true that an employer would not approve of that, and that right leaning beliefs or believers don't get a fair shake in this climate. So I think it's best to not be open about and say such thing…

If it is true that an employer would not approve of any of those views (which is not a given), then it would only be because views which limit other’s humanity are not often regarded kindly. By saying you don’t support BLM, or that you don’t believe trans women are women, you risk suggesting that you don’t see the value in those people’s lives. Certainly in the case of BLM, which began as a movement to protect Black…

> don’t see the value in those people’s lives

Fortunately most people see the value of human life beyond their political beliefs.

Re: Ask HN: Can you be openly politically right-leaning in tech in North America?

#57
Right leaning sure! I’m right leaning… I mean at least I think I am since I’m a Republican [3].

For the most part, what makes people “lean right” is religious precepts [1] which are covered under Federal labor law protections so no one can actually discriminate against you if you voice them. The other thing that traditionally made people lean right is economic concepts (think Ron Paul), and at worst people think you’re boring for bringing that stuff up.

Thing is none of that stuff is really in vogue so we who lean right in that way basically don’t talk about it, and are totally overlooked by the media.

What you can’t be is…

1. A supporter of Trump and/or the insurgents

2. A ethonationalist of any kind

3. Someone who can’t help but speak out against a protected group (e.g. women, transgendered, people of foreign birth)

Now politics wise we who merely “lean right” would say that all of those three groups aren’t on our right… they’re on a totally different spectrum same as the one occupied by ecoterrorists, and authoritarian communists.

Now I come from Northern Virginia, the actual birthplace of that flag southerners love waving so frantically and I know many people who count themselves as conservative (religiously, economically, socially) who trashed their flags when they learned the story behind their creation[2].

So right vs left? It’s not really that simple.

[1] My screen name is from the sadly much diminished jeans company, but in their heyday that denim really deserved its cult following.

[2] William Porcher Miles designed the flag of the army of northern Virginia, which is now basically known as the confederate flag. You would be hard pressed to find a dude more supportive of slavery than this guy. He started his political career just to advocate for keeping people in chains, and said it was a “Divine institution” and the white in the flag was representative of … you guessed it white skin. Can’t get more white nationalist than that.

[3] Left and right are concepts of political parties in the US, not actual beliefs. I’m kinda hoping the Democrats will create space to capture all the people in the Republican Party who do not love the direction it’s gone down in the past 10 years.

Re: Ask HN: Can you be openly politically right-leaning in tech in North America?

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It takes a very selective reading of the facts to claim conservatives are any more anti science than liberals, in the US. Whatever hot button issue there is, there will be people who deny whatever the scientific consensus is if it doesn't suit their beliefs. The question is, who would you rather have running things? The guy that thought humans were riding dinosaurs 5000 years ago, or the guy who thinks paying 40 mill…

The voting rights point is interesting. My understanding is that one side wants more verification of eligibility, but the other side is worried that if the approach to verification is too onerous that voter turnout will decrease. There's seemingly a parallel to the gun control discussion, where again one side wants more verification of eligibility, but the other side is worried that the verification--if applied over-…

Well it’s because historically in the US, voting laws have been used to make sure the “wrong sorts” of people didn’t get a chance to vote.

Re: Ask HN: Can you be openly politically right-leaning in tech in North America?

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It takes a very selective reading of the facts to claim conservatives are any more anti science than liberals, in the US. Whatever hot button issue there is, there will be people who deny whatever the scientific consensus is if it doesn't suit their beliefs. The question is, who would you rather have running things? The guy that thought humans were riding dinosaurs 5000 years ago, or the guy who thinks paying 40 mill…

The voting rights point is interesting. My understanding is that one side wants more verification of eligibility, but the other side is worried that if the approach to verification is too onerous that voter turnout will decrease. There's seemingly a parallel to the gun control discussion, where again one side wants more verification of eligibility, but the other side is worried that the verification--if applied over-…

Neither side is really arguing in good faith - they both just want more votes for their party.

I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with voter ID laws. Many democracies in Europe have them. In America they might be unnecessary overkill, but if they increase faith in the electoral process, that's awesome.

The actual issue is that we don't have federal ID cards, and there are a ton of citizens without any form of government-issued photo ID at all. If you're very poor, the idea of paying for a driver's license might seem ridiculous because you have neither a car nor a bank account.

Any good-faith proposal to enforce voter IDs would have to pair it with making IDs simple and free to get for every registered voter, otherwise it can be justly criticized as antidemocratic.

Re: Ask HN: Can you be openly politically right-leaning in tech in North America?

#60
The problem is what is "right-leaning"? Once upon a time, that would be someone roughly in the center, who leans to the right right. A moderate who is anti-abortion, pro gun rights, low taxes.

These days, its' all or nothing -- you're either left or right. Democrats wold have you believe that all Republicans are pro-Trump, gun nuts, and believe Trump won the election. Republicans would have you believe that all democrats are socialists and we need to raise taxes.

It's just easier to keep politics out of the office as much as possible.

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