It was never for the drivers. It certainly isn't a win for the customer. It is only a win for the state to collect their taxes.
Uber must employ its drivers, Dutch court rules
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#342Earlier quoted context omitted.
I drive Uber for a few months. I hate the idea of "hourly minimums". Maybe we can have that for full time drivers. But, I would go out on "unprofitable times" (when my hourly pay was substantially less than minimum wage due to a lack of rides) and read books (that I would have read anyway). Doing this I made small amounts of money while doing a leisure activity. I loved the ability to drive less than full time in exc…
They can employ drivers and still give them the freedom to accept or decline tides as they wish.
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#343Earlier quoted context omitted.
My point is that it didn't used to be a law. Why can't the government enforce it's own social program and let businesses focus on their primary goal instead of healthcare compliance.
The government does enforce its own social programs. It's found the most efficient/popular way to do that is through businesses.
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#344Great to see that over 100 years of labour laws won by the workers' movements can't be innovated away in SOME countries.
But does every single way to make money have to provide a living wage with full health benefits, etc.? Seems like you limit types of innovation that could otherwise happen. For example, say you create some kind of trash cleanup/recycling incentive app that pays out some small amount for trash/recyclables picked up and turned in. Soon: everyone is outraged that some poor person can't make a living wage picking up recy…
Re: Uber must employ its drivers, Dutch court rules
#345Only to have people who have no skin in the game tell them both what they have to do... because it's 'the right thing'.
Re: Uber must employ its drivers, Dutch court rules
#346Great to see that over 100 years of labour laws won by the workers' movements can't be innovated away in SOME countries.
But does every single way to make money have to provide a living wage with full health benefits, etc.? Seems like you limit types of innovation that could otherwise happen. For example, say you create some kind of trash cleanup/recycling incentive app that pays out some small amount for trash/recyclables picked up and turned in. Soon: everyone is outraged that some poor person can't make a living wage picking up recy…
The break it ask for forgiveness later approach is generally not welcome in Europe, it's regarded as borderline criminal practice. And then delay court procedures and are the other slimy practices.
Always easier to make a buck when breaking the law when everyone else is not breaking it. These companies have compliance departments and lawyers not to see what's legal, but to see how much they can get away with. Today, a Dutch Judge showed them the demarcation lines.
Re: Uber must employ its drivers, Dutch court rules
#347Earlier quoted context omitted.
I drive Uber for a few months. I hate the idea of "hourly minimums". Maybe we can have that for full time drivers. But, I would go out on "unprofitable times" (when my hourly pay was substantially less than minimum wage due to a lack of rides) and read books (that I would have read anyway). Doing this I made small amounts of money while doing a leisure activity. I loved the ability to drive less than full time in exc…
They can employ drivers and still give them the freedom to accept or decline tides as they wish.
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#348What we have here is a unique, unprecedented, real life experiment in Game Theory. Possible outcomes: - Uber could pull out from the Netherlands - Drivers in the Netherlands could organize themselves, but they will need a structure similar to Uber - Other countries will follow the Netherlands ruling We could see the implosion of the gig economy (doubt it) or - most probably - some places like the Netherlands will be…
When the city of Austin, TX added some minor regulations around ride share companies, Uber and Lyft left the city. About 24 hours later, ten new services started up. Shortly after that, Uber and Lyft came back.
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#349> "We know that the vast majority of drivers would like to remain independent," said Maurits Schonfeld, general manager of Uber in Northern Europe That's funny, because the court's reasoning was that drivers in their daily work are almost completely dependent on Uber, which calls all the shots.
I feel this is very disingenuous on Uber's part. Either it's just their way of distracting from the actual point, or they really don't understand what is happening. The case wasn't about what driver's prefer, but about the reality of driving for Uber. What small bit of independence drivers had in setting their own hours is not necessarily eroded by this ruling. It just means Uber will have to (gasp!) innovate to deal…
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#350Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree uber drivers =/= black cab drivers, but I'd also argue that most people don't want or need a black cab driver today. What extra services does a black cab driver provide over an Uber driver in London? - Better knowledge of traffic patterns? - Ability to recommend places, give you local knowledge That's all I can really think of. I agree that local knowledge is sometimes useful, but the vast majority of the tim…
It's all about the subtle nuance of the service provided. A skilled driver will know which route to take if the passenger wants the absolute quickest route, or if the passenger wants a scenic route, or which cobble-stone roads to avoid if the passenger says they're feeling a bit ill, or hundreds of other such intricacies and peculiarities which come with offering expert service which someone who just has a GPS app on…