The elite use facebook?
The elite have personal assistants and social media managers who use Facebook on their behalf for brand building and PR.
Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules
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#202Is it really that bad that they apply slightly different sets of rules to accounts with more notoriety?
For example, do we (as facebook consumers) want newly created accounts with @hotmail email treated the same as a new account with @doj.gov, as the same as a Celebrity with a million followers?
Do we want the same set of rules for a suspected Russian troll account to be applied to a major politician? (well..some here might, but I don't).
I think as your account age, status and popularity grows, you should be given *some* flexibility under the rules. Imagine a points system behind the scenes, where bad things get you points, and other things remove points. At a certain point threshold you are banned, suspended, etc.
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#203>“We are not actually doing what we say we do publicly,” said the confidential review. Why do we even have the collective fiction where corporate messaging around a sore topic is treated as trustworthy? Especially with companies that we know lie all the fucking time?
Further, why do we continue to accept the fiction that rules and laws apply to the elite as for the masses? Even the not-so-elite, the Stanford swimmer who brutally raped and assaulted Chanel Miller, though convicted, was given light sentence because of his "bright future", according to the judge.
He was given a light sentence, but its worth noting that the judge was following the recommendation of the probation department. This wasn't a judge going rogue on his own.
1: https://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/02/us/brock-turner-release-j...
Re: Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules
#204Huh, never thought I’d see XCheck in a news article. I used to work at Facebook and spotted abuse of this system by bad actors and partly fixed it. It’s still not perfect but it’s better than it used to be. I think I might have agreed with the author of this article before working in Integrity for a few years. But with time I learned that any system that’s meant to work for millions of users will have some edge cases…
The problem seems to be though, that while the company may have tools to detect abuse, if they're choosing selectively when to enforce things it defeats the entire point Edit: downvotes from shills
That wasn’t my experience over several years. Whenever we found a new vector of abuse or detected systems misfiring we would take it seriously.
Re: Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules
#205Huh, never thought I’d see XCheck in a news article. I used to work at Facebook and spotted abuse of this system by bad actors and partly fixed it. It’s still not perfect but it’s better than it used to be. I think I might have agreed with the author of this article before working in Integrity for a few years. But with time I learned that any system that’s meant to work for millions of users will have some edge cases…
Your analogy relating to Zuckerberg is absurdly tone deaf.
No it is not.
What if Trump or Biden could not login to Facebook due to too many failed attempts ? Would they scream that Facebook is blocking them and FB MUST unblock them. Should FB just tell them, "Tough, you can't use Facebook, deal with it?" What if it was Ronaldo or Brad Pitt.
A company will make exemptions for very famous people. In every case, when something grows too big, you will find that are special cases that must be exempt from the general rules. There are very few exemption to this. Usually rule of law. Almost anything else has exemption.
Disclaimer. I don't and never worked in Facebook. And I barely use Facebook. BUT I've build big systems that deal with the web and the real world.
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your analogy relating to Zuckerberg is absurdly tone deaf.
I think it’s valid because it’s an example of a system not working for a small minority while still working well for others. And more pertinently, there’s no plans to fix it for him specifically just because he’s the CEO. It’s better to spend time making the account compromise system better for the vast majority of users instead.
Or perhaps the underlying business/product model is inherently flawed in a way that's bad for society, all patches have proven woefully insufficient in mitigating that, and Facebook have been intentionally concealing this.
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#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there anyone walking around that actually believes that rules and laws apply to the elite? Some seem to think that the reason this is excused is because (in the US at least) every poor schmuck seem to think they they will be rich and powerful someday and get to partake. I've never found that very credible, but smarter people than me seem to think so.
Depends on the rules and laws. The system tends to be very good at punishing rich people that swindle money from other rich people.
> The system tends to be very good at punishing rich people that swindle money from other rich people.
… Eventually? I'm surely not the only one who thinks of Madoff first, and he got away with it for almost a decade after suspicions were first reported.
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#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
You haven’t really touched on the main problem discussed in the article, which is that to Facebook, there are special users - mainly celebrities and politicians - who get to play by different rules than the rest of us. Social media was supposed to help level the playing field of society, not exacerbate its inequalities.
I did touch on that problem. Like I pointed out Zuckerberg can’t log in on new devices anymore. That’s because of the thousands of attempts per second to log into his account. Those attempts happen because he’s a celebrity. His experience is objectively different because of who he is. It’s the same with Neymar. How many times do you think his profile is reported for any number of violations by people who don’t like h…
I concede that some accounts probably deserve that specific type of protection. However, it doesn’t explain the other kinds of protections these people have, including exemption from content-based rules. Those are the issues of real concern.
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#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's white, male, athlete, upper middle class, accepted into a good college, living in America. From a global perspective, the eliteness is far more than a "small bit".
Sure, but in this case we're comparing the treatment (by courts, etc) of the elite vs non-elite in America.
There are peculiarities of eliteness in America that matter here. Because Americans maintain the fiction of a classless society and don't have the legal framework of a caste system, what counts as elite in America affects how the world views American elites, and how Americans view elites in other cultures. We don't for example, care how many cows in a bride's dowry.
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#210The elite use facebook?
This is a very good question. What if I'm an Hollywood superstar or an NBA player or a billionaire and I want to chat and share stuff privately with my "colleagues". Did the really use fb or instagram like we all do? I always see "official pages" for people like Bill Gates, but where/what do they share in their day to day life?
They use aliases and keep a small friends list. They don't typically post photos.
I still suspect that method is imperfect since your account may be locked and you may need to associate a burner number to it.