Earlier quoted context omitted.
My point is that it didn't used to be a law. Why can't the government enforce it's own social program and let businesses focus on their primary goal instead of healthcare compliance.
The government does enforce its own social programs. It's found the most efficient/popular way to do that is through businesses.
Uber must employ its drivers, Dutch court rules
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Re: Uber must employ its drivers, Dutch court rules
#332Legitimate question, will Uber shut down it's Dutch operations now? Will this cost them more money than it's worth to operate there, and would they shutdown to send a message to other nations about there intent should similar rulings be made? Uber's margins have always been super thin, I would imagine this makes them squarely unprofitable in the Dutch market.
Re: Uber must employ its drivers, Dutch court rules
#333Legitimate question, will Uber shut down it's Dutch operations now? Will this cost them more money than it's worth to operate there, and would they shutdown to send a message to other nations about there intent should similar rulings be made? Uber's margins have always been super thin, I would imagine this makes them squarely unprofitable in the Dutch market.
This is what is likely to happen to Uber almost everywhere eventually. Courts will slowly re-impose the workers rights that Uber set out to avoid, the cost of an uber ride will go up, which will shift riders back to more traditional transport - busses, trains, bicycles and cars. Leaving a much smaller, much less powerful Uber. Without the scale and the price making power, Uber will see its value massively massively d…
Re: Uber must employ its drivers, Dutch court rules
#334Good. Uber is a unsustainable business built employee exploitation to effectively pay them less than minimum wage while flouting "freedom" to bait the people in the worst situations. This was known from the start. Meanwhile subsidising rides with investor-cash to effectively bait-and-switch society. The recent-ish price hikes are only a start. Anyone repeating their PR should be ashamed. "gigs" are cancer or wait, th…
Yes, clearly you're a smart one and can see things clearly and none of the poor Uber drivers are smart enough to figure it out. Get over yourself.
Get over yourself.
Re: Uber must employ its drivers, Dutch court rules
#335Rightly so. The 'gig economy' is abused by quite a few companies to create employment like situations without the required trappings (social security payments, employee protection, hourly minimums and so on). This was long overdue, let's hope it has precedent effect for other companies that abuse the ZZP construct.
Being an Uber driver is a new thing which people started doing voluntarily knowing full well what the conditions were. For people then to start complaining "this is a abuse" and OMG no social security just seems ... weird.
Here in Belgium you now need to have a taxi license and everything good about Uber is now gone (it's more expensive, the drivers are all moody a-holes and they've gone back to doing detours for no reason just to jack up the price).
Re: Uber must employ its drivers, Dutch court rules
#336Bit out of context but I just came back from US (living in Netherlands). Holy flipping hell that place is full of cars. Literally everywhere. I mean I understand using a car upstate New York where things are further apart and everyone has a huge isolated villa. But do you really need 4 lane roads in freaking manhattan? Seems like regulating "car stuff" in general is always a good thing if you ask me.
Re: Uber must employ its drivers, Dutch court rules
#337Rightly so. The 'gig economy' is abused by quite a few companies to create employment like situations without the required trappings (social security payments, employee protection, hourly minimums and so on). This was long overdue, let's hope it has precedent effect for other companies that abuse the ZZP construct.
Ugh, the unique selling point of working Uber is the flexibility and autonomy. Every driver I talk to says that’s what they love about working it. What is it in us that can’t let people have what they value, just because it is different than what we value?
Re: Uber must employ its drivers, Dutch court rules
#338Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have paid the ridiculous charge from Rome's airport to the city, it's interesting how many measures airports like Rome, Madrid, Barcelona have to take to keep Uber out as good as possible. I still agree with the Dutch court. First, EU has a goal to somewhat harmonize some laws and taxes. Europe should not simply allow any company to come along and undermine everything. If Europe let's this happen, the consequence i…
A bit off-topic, but why would you take a taxi for that trip? A train to the city leaves evert 15 minutes and costs you only €14. By car it's a 30km ride! This is true for basically every single European city. Public transport is of such high quality that taking a taxi simply doesn't make sense.
Re: Uber must employ its drivers, Dutch court rules
#339Rightly so. The 'gig economy' is abused by quite a few companies to create employment like situations without the required trappings (social security payments, employee protection, hourly minimums and so on). This was long overdue, let's hope it has precedent effect for other companies that abuse the ZZP construct.
I drive Uber for a few months. I hate the idea of "hourly minimums". Maybe we can have that for full time drivers. But, I would go out on "unprofitable times" (when my hourly pay was substantially less than minimum wage due to a lack of rides) and read books (that I would have read anyway). Doing this I made small amounts of money while doing a leisure activity. I loved the ability to drive less than full time in exc…
Re: Uber must employ its drivers, Dutch court rules
#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
Then Uber would have to decide who works when and for how long. Right now it’s controlled by supply and demand through pricing algorithms.
OK, bear with me here. Same system as now, but if you make less than minimum hourly wage (calculated every month), the company covers the difference. I am pretty sure the drivers would nearly always make more than that. Or is it illegal to just have employees set their own time/targets?