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Re: Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 3:25 PM UTC

sdrawkcabmai wrote: post #53

dogleash wrote: post #21

>“We are not actually doing what we say we do publicly,” said the confidential review. Why do we even have the collective fiction where corporate messaging around a sore topic is treated as trustworthy? Especially with companies that we know lie all the fucking time?

Why out of the largest tech companies, like Amazon, Google, Netflix, Microsoft, Facebook, Apple, Twitter (well not large but similar to FB in terms of social network) only one has a reputation for constantly lying and misleading people on purpose in its self-interest? Is it because we pay more attention to FB or is it because FB is different in some way?

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Re: Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules

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Post by BiteCode_dev » Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 3:26 PM UTC

sdrawkcabmai wrote: post #53

dogleash wrote: post #21

>“We are not actually doing what we say we do publicly,” said the confidential review. Why do we even have the collective fiction where corporate messaging around a sore topic is treated as trustworthy? Especially with companies that we know lie all the fucking time?

Why out of the largest tech companies, like Amazon, Google, Netflix, Microsoft, Facebook, Apple, Twitter (well not large but similar to FB in terms of social network) only one has a reputation for constantly lying and misleading people on purpose in its self-interest? Is it because we pay more attention to FB or is it because FB is different in some way?

I recall Google, Microsoft, Apple and Amazon to have lied a ton.

Re: Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules

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Post by smcl » Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 3:26 PM UTC

donatj wrote: post #18

I don't understand the way their enforcement works. I've reported videos of people literally setting live animals on fire and been told there was no violation, but my wife called someone a "loser" and got a week long ban.

Yeah I gave up reporting. I’ve reported some people being extremely racist in comments, no action in either case. It’s either moderated by racist people, some poor AI or “rand()%2==0”

Re: Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules

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Post by nullstyle » Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 3:26 PM UTC

GDC7 wrote: post #46

Facebook is used by 3B people. When a company (or even more generally a social phenomenon) is so big, the only logical consequence is that it becomes embedded in the layer that it services. In society not everybody is equal, a social movement with the massive scope that Facebook has cannot deviate from such rule. Power law is a thing, you can't escape it, not even the Universe can. It's not right and it's not wrong.…

It is, but it's wrong.

Re: Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules

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Post by datavirtue » Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 3:27 PM UTC

MattGaiser wrote: post #23

donatj wrote: post #18

I don't understand the way their enforcement works. I've reported videos of people literally setting live animals on fire and been told there was no violation, but my wife called someone a "loser" and got a week long ban.

I suspect it is automated. A computer can easily flag calling someone a loser. Not sure if FB has burning animals as a automated flag yet.

Why can't users moderate the post so that Facebook does know about the animal torture? -5 Animal Torture

Re: Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules

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Post by hirako2000 » Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 3:27 PM UTC

gordon_freeman wrote: post #51

mtnGoat wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I once made fun of Justin Bieber(said he acts like a baby) on IG, and got a warning. Some guy threatened to Hunt me and my family, kill us and do bad things to our bodies and IG said it didn’t violate any rules, when I reported it. My account can now not even post the word “chump” without warnings. Talk about backwards. It’s very safe to say there is no adult in the room at FB/IG when it comes to rule enforcement. I…

I don't want to do victim blaming or shaming here but why would you use any fb product knowing well about their awful business practices like these?

Because of its network effect. Removing facebook, in a way is removing members of our connection circles.

Re: Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules

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Post by 13years » Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 3:27 PM UTC

It is exactly what you would expect from such concentration of power and influence.

What is actually surprising, are the number of people who aren't aware of this fact or more likely find it appealing because the tech giants enforce their point of view most of the time.

Re: Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules

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Post by tonfreed » Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 3:27 PM UTC

donatj wrote: post #18

I don't understand the way their enforcement works. I've reported videos of people literally setting live animals on fire and been told there was no violation, but my wife called someone a "loser" and got a week long ban.

Same, I've reported a ton of death threats only to be told they're not in violation. Only for my mum to cop an autoban for calling someone a spring chicken.

Their moderation is a complete joke.

Re: Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules

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Post by throwawayboise » Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 3:27 PM UTC

sdrawkcabmai wrote: post #53

dogleash wrote: post #21

>“We are not actually doing what we say we do publicly,” said the confidential review. Why do we even have the collective fiction where corporate messaging around a sore topic is treated as trustworthy? Especially with companies that we know lie all the fucking time?

Why out of the largest tech companies, like Amazon, Google, Netflix, Microsoft, Facebook, Apple, Twitter (well not large but similar to FB in terms of social network) only one has a reputation for constantly lying and misleading people on purpose in its self-interest? Is it because we pay more attention to FB or is it because FB is different in some way?

I put all of the companies you name in pretty much the same basket, and avoid them as much as I can. I don't shop on Amazon, I don't use Netflix, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter. I don't use Apple products. I do use Android and Google Docs/Drive/Mail but my next phone will probably be an open one and I could drop the GSuite stuff without too much pain, mostly laziness that I haven't already.

Re: Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules

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Post by chefandy » Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 3:28 PM UTC

MattGaiser wrote: post #23

donatj wrote: post #18

I don't understand the way their enforcement works. I've reported videos of people literally setting live animals on fire and been told there was no violation, but my wife called someone a "loser" and got a week long ban.

I suspect it is automated. A computer can easily flag calling someone a loser. Not sure if FB has burning animals as a automated flag yet.

Some of the actions are automated based on some NN algorithm score, and then the appeals are human-powered. They have large third party content review offices that are operated like call centers in which humans review these things. I understand they're real meat grinders to work in.

I've reported clearly racist, harassing content before and had the reviewer report it as confirming to their standards. I know people that were banned for bullying for wishing people happy birthday. As much as I suspected a bunch of people are just quickly mashing random buttons to pump up their score, I read that they're evaluated based on the success and failure of appeals to their judgements, so I can't imagine they would be. There are clearly deep-seated problems with this process.