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Re: Pinky and the Brain

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Post by tigerlily »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #12
brundolf wrote: post #9

Reminds me of my favorite fiction conspiracy theory: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3qvj6w/theory_jar...

Instead of that which would have been awesome and retconned Jar Jar from embarrassing into a great story of our times… We instead got the first movie redone, and two pretty poor follow ups with grrrrrr fake teeth being the series rock bottom. Ugh, that plot hole of a light speed weapon, the force can’t bring someone back to life but let’s do it like three times, whatever. I’ve forgotten more about the last trilogy th…

> that plot hole of a light speed weapon

Ugh indeed. A ghastly suicide scene in a Disney film, bizarrely glorified and so unbecoming, it was the last thing I expected.

If they had to persist with this plot device, it would've been way more appropriate if Leia rocked up with a SOLO autopilot control box:

"Commander, that's not how we do things here."

"General, I..."

"Step aside and lemme wire this thing in will ya? Warm up that transporter in bay 12, we need to bust outta here before this thing fires."

Re: Pinky and the Brain

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Post by motohagiography »

To extend it, the "genius or insane?" trope comes from both being pretty much defined as to be indexed on things others can't see. The main difference is, genius reveals things that we realize afterward were always there, and insanity is mostly failing to cohere the perspective into something others can see as well.

Brain is also made to represent what a child imagines as "smart." Pinky as the genius does make the cartoon adventures more rich though.

Re: Pinky and the Brain

#43

Post by vagrantJin »

hellweaver666 wrote: post #35
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It takes away from the other films as well by cheapening the force and the ability to wield it. Luke barely manages to lift some rocks after a lot of training montage, Rei lifts heaps of rocks without formal training. I don't think there's many people that liked the sequels. I can't believe they went in with those gung-ho, without the story fleshed out already. I mean the stakes were incredibly high, billions in reve…

To be fair, Rey turned out to be the grand-daughter of one of the strongest Sith lords of all time. She was probably naturally strong in the force (like Anakin for example). I enjoyed the sequels (but I also enjoy most movies because my super power is the ability to turn off my brain and not over think things).

Even if Rey was naturally gifted - the whole idea of her being the granddaughter of a sith lord did not feel like a natural thing. The exposition was horrible. It was as if Rey was a souped up Luke again instead of being Rey. And the audience is not stupid as they thought. The Mandolorian writers must have seen those movies and laughed as they cooked up a potential Star Wars classic.

Re: Pinky and the Brain

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Post by SuoDuanDao »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #12
brundolf wrote: post #9

Reminds me of my favorite fiction conspiracy theory: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3qvj6w/theory_jar...

Instead of that which would have been awesome and retconned Jar Jar from embarrassing into a great story of our times… We instead got the first movie redone, and two pretty poor follow ups with grrrrrr fake teeth being the series rock bottom. Ugh, that plot hole of a light speed weapon, the force can’t bring someone back to life but let’s do it like three times, whatever. I’ve forgotten more about the last trilogy th…

In my headcanon, the light speed weapon explains why even though we're obviously descended from one of the races in the setting, we don't have spaceships or force powers - once one person got the idea they could use a ship as a suicide nuke, everyone did it, until the only survivors literally had to flee the galaxy and stop using advanced technology.

If one views the entire nine-series arc as the story of the fall of a golden age, the last three are actually fairly appropriate, if badly executed.

Re: Pinky and the Brain

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Post by jraedisch »

hnlmorg wrote: post #37
sevensor wrote: post #3

I've been in heated debates about this, and it's good to see the case for my point of view stated plainly and with supporting evidence.

heated debates !? As in literally multiple full on arguments? I've argued a lot of dumb stuff before but could never imagine a discussion about a much loved kids cartoon getting heated. Let alone repeatedly.

Sorry, mate!

Re: Pinky and the Brain

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Post by neogodless »

rbobby wrote: post #25

> Shockingly, Pinky was the one who ultimately answered the question correctly, and it's also shown that Pinky can read, whereas the Brain can barely write his own name. Pinky doesn't answer the final question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgt1X6qXTKs And I think the way Brain wrote his name was a parody of how Jeopardy guests can get extravagant with their signatures.

Perhaps more interesting is, in that episode, one of Pinky's few lines is "in the words of..." and it gets cut off when Brain flicks him away. The complete sentence might have been something quite intelligent.

Re: Pinky and the Brain

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Post by ceejayoz »

SuoDuanDao wrote: post #44
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of that which would have been awesome and retconned Jar Jar from embarrassing into a great story of our times… We instead got the first movie redone, and two pretty poor follow ups with grrrrrr fake teeth being the series rock bottom. Ugh, that plot hole of a light speed weapon, the force can’t bring someone back to life but let’s do it like three times, whatever. I’ve forgotten more about the last trilogy th…

In my headcanon, the light speed weapon explains why even though we're obviously descended from one of the races in the setting, we don't have spaceships or force powers - once one person got the idea they could use a ship as a suicide nuke, everyone did it, until the only survivors literally had to flee the galaxy and stop using advanced technology. If one views the entire nine-series arc as the story of the fall of…

> the only survivors literally had to flee the galaxy and stop using advanced technology

Han Solo enjoyed his new career as a combat archeologist.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Into_the_Great_Unknown

Re: Pinky and the Brain

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Post by mLuby »

mlang23 wrote: post #19
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of that which would have been awesome and retconned Jar Jar from embarrassing into a great story of our times… We instead got the first movie redone, and two pretty poor follow ups with grrrrrr fake teeth being the series rock bottom. Ugh, that plot hole of a light speed weapon, the force can’t bring someone back to life but let’s do it like three times, whatever. I’ve forgotten more about the last trilogy th…

Star Wars has lost me. I loved 4,5,6, and I found 1,2,3 at least exciting to see the story arc closed up. But what came afterwards was pretty much unwatchable. I went to the cinema for Rogue One even, but dont remember a single plot-line. Thats pretty unusual for me, since I uslally remember storylines from movies I watched many years ago. But this stuff just didnt leave any impression at all.

I'm in your camp too on the Skywalker saga, though I really like Rogue One; definitely worth a rewatch. It's a bit scattered (perhaps a result of the massive pre-release re-edit to which it was apparently subjected) but it has its moments, including possibly the best Star Wars space battle set to film, as well as a visceral depiction of Vader's terrifying power.

Re: Pinky and the Brain

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Post by mLuby »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #33
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of that which would have been awesome and retconned Jar Jar from embarrassing into a great story of our times… We instead got the first movie redone, and two pretty poor follow ups with grrrrrr fake teeth being the series rock bottom. Ugh, that plot hole of a light speed weapon, the force can’t bring someone back to life but let’s do it like three times, whatever. I’ve forgotten more about the last trilogy th…

It takes away from the other films as well by cheapening the force and the ability to wield it. Luke barely manages to lift some rocks after a lot of training montage, Rei lifts heaps of rocks without formal training. I don't think there's many people that liked the sequels. I can't believe they went in with those gung-ho, without the story fleshed out already. I mean the stakes were incredibly high, billions in reve…

> I mean the stakes were incredibly high, billions in revenue for the foreseeable future.

That's exactly why the first sequel movie (EpVII: TFA) was so timid; I'm sure it was the most de-risked thing the writers and execs could think of—just a re-skin of the original.

> cheapening the force and the ability to wield it… It's telling that the secondary things - Rogue One, Mandalorian - are fan favorites instead.

Star Wars suffers from power and stakes creep: Death Star I is a planet-killer; DS2 kills planets and ships: Starkiller Base is a multi-planet killer; every ship in the Exegol fleet is a planet-killer. Force abilities are another example.

The Force co-opts any story it touches into one about destiny. And sometimes that's not appropriate, as in tales about rebel troopers or backwater mercenaries. As much as I adored The Child and was excited about Luke's cameo, I'm really glad those two things exited the show, hopefully resetting the stakes at a lower level.

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