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Why can’t I go faster than the speed of light?

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Re: Why can’t I go faster than the speed of light?

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just curious... does "time" have a "speed" ? Is travelling at the speed of light, actually travelling a a fraction of the speed of time?

It can be said that everything is traveling through spacetime "at c (the speed of light)". The math works out such that the faster you move through space, the slower you move through time and vice versa.

The faster you move through space, the faster you move through time as well, actually! That's because distance in spacetime is defined with a negative sign for time periods. The profound statement is now that the subjective time (which can be measured by a clock moving along with you) matches the theoretically-defined spacetime distance (which is constructed to be invariant under Lorentz transformations).

Re: Why can’t I go faster than the speed of light?

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That's the thing though, in the article the charged object does not move relative to the rod. The rod, object, and person B are stationary relative to each other. I was actually really surprised to read that two charged objects moving with the same velocity relative to each other generates a magnetic field from A's perspective.

Two long charged rods moving with the same velocity relative to each other are two parallel wires carrying current, the second of which is a typical and easy-to-calculate example of electromagnetic attraction. In fact, that situation is so prototypical that it is used to define the Ampere in terms of what current is required to produce a certain force between parallel wires. [0] [0] http://www.physics.louisville.edu/…

In this scenario, rods are stationary but they have current running in them - a different situation. Can it be translated to the relativistic one?

Maybe what they really wanted to say is "there is a speed c at which the charge of a moving rod is indistinguishable of current running through stationary rod"? Now that would make a lot of sense.

Re: Why can’t I go faster than the speed of light?

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As long as we are talking about how far you can go in one lifetime, how would human body react in a spaceship with that much mass? Wouldn't the gravity crush any humans to death. 10% of the sun's mass is more than 30,000 times earth's mass. Add to that the fact that the diameter is only 620 m, and the gravity becomes 1.4e13 g.

If we could somehow make it into a donut planet we could presumably sit in the middle of it experiencing no acceleration. Would the time dilation effects still occur then?

I don't think so. As I understand it, gravity and acceleration are equivalent, if you aren't experiencing any acceleration then time dilation won't occur. (Assuming we are not traveling near the speed of light)

Re: Why can’t I go faster than the speed of light?

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It's funny, as a programmer i had similar interpretations. Universe is like a processor and the c is the frequency limit. There was a talk with lawrence krauss I think, where he explained that at galaxy scales, everything is distributed, there's not one reality but an infinity since no point in space can be aware of far points in the universe. I also wonder if there would be ways to tweak C.

This short story might tickle your fancy. https://qntm.org/admin (I also highly recommend their book "There Is No Antimemetics Division" if you're at all interested in SCP Foundation)

Good story! What is SCP Foundation?

Re: Why can’t I go faster than the speed of light?

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"Nothing can go faster than light" is just a convention and is not experimentally confirmed. IIRC there are a few things that go faster than speed of light (e.g. universe expanding). "Spooky action at a distance" is also not known very well. That could also break the speed of causality law. While Bell's theorem hints that this is not the case, there are some exceptions to Bell's theorem. Right now a lot in physics ar…

AFAIK 'nothing goes faster than c' is wrong in the 'lies to children category'. The devil is in the details. In fact, plenty of things go faster than c. As a standard example, take a wall at 1m distance and a flashlight. move the light spot at 1 m/s. If you put the wall at 2m, the same spot will now go 2 m/s. If you put it at 300 000 km, the spot will go at 300 000 km/s, slightly over light speed. The problem is more…

That's not the "same" spot, though.

It doesn't consist of the same photons; the spot in the "new" position consists of photons which have been traveling in a straight line from your flash light at (assuming vacuum) a constant rate of C (and then reflected back to reach your eye again, also at a constant rate of C); they haven't traveled to or from the previous "spot" position at all, much less exceeded the speed of light at any point in the process of reaching the new position.

Right?

Re: Why can’t I go faster than the speed of light?

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Nobody postulated that the speed of light is constant because it was obvious: light just like every other wave has a constant speed in the medium though which it propagates. The fact that nothing can go faster is a consequence of the Lorentz transformation, so nothing had to be postulated. The important thing that Einstein recognized is that the Lorentz transformations apply for all physical phenomena and not only the Maxwell equations and that started a revolution on physics.

Re: Why can’t I go faster than the speed of light?

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Q1. Does the future already exist? I realize this might be purely philosophical, but if I leave Earth, and fly through space near c kph, and return home a few hours later to find everyone aged 50 years... are they the "same" people, or are they a future-instance of the people left? To clarify, theoretically I could leave earth, and return home in exactly 1 hour (from my ref frame), and basically make people whatever…

I suggest stop giving time a privileged meaning, and think of it as just one of four dimensions. John Wheeler starts his book on Special Relativity[1] by talking about surveying.

You and I survey a building (plot of land, whatever) separately because we want to check each other's work. At then end we look at our data and disagree on every single coordinate except the origin. Ah, you're a crappy surveyor, I conclude. No, you are, you reply.

Then for whatever reason I ask what distance you compute for the distance from the origin to the corner of the desk. 3.183 meters. Huh, exactly same number I compute. Okay, what about the distance from the far corner of the room to the southmost window? 18.45 meters. Me too!

A bit more chatting and it turns out you used true North as the y-positive direction, and I used magnetic North. Opps. Our frames are just rotated in respect to each other.

Now, is it freaky and weird that I say the speaker is 2.78 meters in the y direction, and you say it is 2.619? No, we are just using different frames of reference. There is no 'reality' to any given y direction or coordinate. It is arbitrarily chosen, as our the units (I could use yards instead of meters, and have an entirely different number yet).

OTOH, what is real, and invariant, are distances. That's a physically real thing. hence we always comput the same distance between any two points, despite using different coordinates for our (x,y) tuple. If you want to be mathy about it we say the metric is s^2 = x^2 + y^2. Pythagoras, in other words, in a Euclidean space.

Well, we don't live in space, we live in spacetime, where time is a dimension. When we move at different speeds relative to each other our 4-D coordinate systems are rotated relative to each other. That includes time. So, if you rotate yours relative to mine, travel for awhile (time and space!), well, you will end up with different coordinates for x, y, z, and t. It's no odder than if you and I travel 'North' in your car, but you use true North and I use magnetic we end up in different places on the globe.

In 4D space what is 'real' is not coordinates or time, but events, and what is constant is the interval between events. Just like what is 'real' in 2D Euclid space is not some arbitrary y-direction, but the distance between two objects. Distance is invariant in 2D space, event intervals (space and time) are invariant in 4D Minkowski space (the space we live in absent of gravity).

There's a bit of handwaving in there, but that's pretty much the physics; any 7th grader can do it. The main part that will lead to bad conclusions is that the metric in Minkowski space uses a negative number for time; so s^2 = x^2 - c^2 t^2. That's hyperbolic, so if you use intuition from Euclidean space you may conclude that in some instance distance will contract when it expands, or vice versa.

So, finally, to your Q1, if I travel magnetic North, is the position I reach on the "same" Earth as the one where you use true North? Feels like a weird question that misses the point, right? Same Earth, just a different location than you expected because my frame was rotated wrt yours.

Note that every experiment we have ever carried out bares this out. Accelerate a clock, bring it to Earth, that clock is younger (I'm ignoring general relativity's effects here, but the experiments don't). Measure how long a very short living particles live that are created by other particles crashing into our atmosphere, and they live exactly as much longer as SR would predict. Etc. did that clock "select" a different version of you? No, it just travelled a different path in 4D spacetime than you, and hence ended up at different coordinates. To go deeper into that I'd have to introduce "proper time", but since the ending x,y,z are the same are your x,y,z, can you see that intuitively it must be the t coordinate that changed?

[1] https://www.eftaylor.com/spacetimephysics/ This book is released under CC, free to download and share, and utterly fantastic. All you need is junior high math to master the material.

Re: Why can’t I go faster than the speed of light?

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So it sounds like they did a decent job sticking to the science on the Interstellar movie?

Interstellar correctly demonstrates how general relativity will work. Even the 5-dimension tesseract was a decent representation as well. Matthew Mcconaughey using love to navigate through the 5-dimension is classic hollywood.

'love' might have been their interpretation.

Another one would be cause and effect, if that had already happened it means it must happen again... and so whatever he does there it will succeed in setting events in motion again... Interesting bit would have been how it all started.

Re: Why can’t I go faster than the speed of light?

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But in your inertial reference frame the people on Earth are moving at (near) the speed of light. So they are the ones that should be staying young. Or similarly the planet you are traveling to is actually speeding towards you and you are staying still. This is why the twin paradox is a paradox, because of the reference frames.

You're right that the apparent symmetry is broken by acceleration(s!), and to show that I'd point to Michael Weiss's twin paradox equivalence principle analysis at https://www.desy.de/user/projects/Physics/Relativity/SR/Twin... rather than rewriting it. There is a subtlety not explicitly raised in the writeup, mainly that in General Relativity metrics do not superpose cleanly, in the sense of getting another solution…

There is a related "love triangle" Special Relativity problem where there are three parties: stay-at-home (S), early-outbound-passer (E), and late-inbound-passer (L). None of the parties ever experience any acceleration: they remain eternally in uniform motion, with E & L travelling relativistically.

At our origin, S and E synchronize observe their identical atomic wristwatches coincidentally agree that it is "0". Light-years away, E and L come very close to one another and exchange timestamps showing that coincidentally their identical atomic wristwatches agree. Finally, L and S come very close to one another and compare timestamps from their identical atomic wristwatches. All the wristwatch times are identical to those at the three points in the diagram of the "instant turnaround" version of the twin paradox, we've just turned the travelling twin into two unrelated travellers on different trajectories.

The argument is that this "love triangle" is resolved because E & L are different travellers in uniform motion, so all parties must combine the times acquired in two different reference frames (E's and L's) to compare with the times acquired in S's reference frame. The further argument is that this duplicates the "instant turnaround" version of the twin paradox if we can have the travelling twin change direction without acceleration.

Firstly, we can still solve this with a pseudo-gravitational field popping up at the moment E & L exchange timestamps. It's no more of a coincidence than the identical timestamp when S & E are close.

Secondly, it's not clear that the paradox remains interesting in this case, because there is no expectation that S & L should be the same age when they are close to one another again. They aren't twins. Unless we add in accelerations, there is no way by which S, E, and L could all have been born at close to the same location in spacetime.

Thirdly, it's unclear that there can be an instant turnaround without acceleration. A couple flavours have been explored here and there.

One involves a slingshot around a star to change directions from away to towards the stay-at-home twin. In this picture the travelling twin is always in free-fall. But here we are substituting real gravitation (that of the star) from pseudo-gravitation. We've moved from everywhere-flat Minkowski space -- the spacetime of Special Relativity -- to something closer to Schwarzschild spacetime, which is only asymptotically flat. Moreover, we are using the near region of Schwarzschild to accomplish the slingshot.

Another substitutes the open flat Minkowski space with one in which there is a compact spatial dimension that curls back on it self. A universe with the geometry of a cylinder with infinite height and small circumference, or a torus, or a sphere would do. The cylindrical case has been explored recently : https://doi.org/10.1119/10.0000002 with comparisons to Minkowski space (the spacetime of Special Relativity), §IV (Conclusion) being pithy. Again, I see this as trying to substitute pseudo-geometry with real geometry, an adapted clock-comparison recipe, and a highly privileged frame for the traveller, in order to avoid a non-gravitational acceleration opening the door to a pseudogravitational field arising in the ultrasimplfied and thus strictly Special Relativity problem.

The pseudogravitational field approach comes from Einstein in 1918: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Translation:Dialog_about_Obje... which was fun to read.

Finally focusing on the latter part of my comment that I'm self-replying to (mostly for my own benefit), we have only done away with one acceleration by the returning twin. We still have the effects from the behaviour of matter in the expanding universe with which to clock S, E and L, removing the remaining paradox if we somehow contrive to have S, E & L expecting to age similarly. If we are abandoning Special Relativity in order to avoid acceleration by the returning without invoking outright magic, why only do it along one spacelike dimension, or by importing a very finely tuned third traveller?

Re: Why can’t I go faster than the speed of light?

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I have a probably very dumb question. If speed is relative, when we say something travels at... I don't know... 50% the speed of light, that speed is relative to what? how do you know it is 50% and not 53%? How do we know we're not already moving at 99% the speed of light (like our observable universe as a whole having that speed )? I love this stuff, but it is so counter intuitive for the average human.

"that speed is relative to what"

To you. There is no such thing as absolute speed. You say cosmic rays are crashing into the earth at 99% the speed of light. The cosmic ray says it is sitting still and you (and the Earth) are approaching it at 99% the speed of light. Some other particle moving at 70% relative to you will give a different speed for the cosmic ray. All of you are right.

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