Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die
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Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die
#2I find this unpersuasive. I don't want to hear anything from the CDC. I don't trust the CDC because (among other reasons) they recently silently redefined "vaccine" to not include the idea that it provides immunity.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210826113846/https://www.cdc.g... https://web.archive.org/web/20210902194040/https://www.cdc.g...
Vitamin D might qualify as a vaccine under the new definition, or some other substance that's obviously not a vaccine.
Downvoters, please use the little-known "reply" feature instead of just clicking the little triangle to assuage your discomfort.
Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die
#3I’ll die from covid or from the weather sleeping outside before I recognize a dictator.
That was unacceptable.
Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die
#4Why is everything so black and white in studies, hospital reporting and government policies? There are 5 groups of people. There's really more if you want to get detailed but here are the basics.
Vaccinated
Vaccinated then infection
Unvaccinated - Previous infection
Previous infection then vaccinated
Unvaccinated - No previous infection
Does anyone care about nuance anymore? Just saying vaccinated and unvaccinated is a disservice to the population
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Other things to care about
Vaccinated with 2 mrna shots with > 3 weeks between shots
Vaccinated with 2 mrna shots with 3 weeks between shots
Vaccinated with viral vector
Previous infection then vaccinated > 6 weeks after symptoms were gone
Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die
#5Why is everything so black and white in studies, hospital reporting and government policies? There are 5 groups of people. There's really more if you want to get detailed but here are the basics. Vaccinated Vaccinated then infection Unvaccinated - Previous infection Previous infection then vaccinated Unvaccinated - No previous infection Does anyone care about nuance anymore? Just saying vaccinated and unvaccinated is…
Because it’s no longer about the vaccine.
Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die
#6Why is everything so black and white in studies, hospital reporting and government policies? There are 5 groups of people. There's really more if you want to get detailed but here are the basics. Vaccinated Vaccinated then infection Unvaccinated - Previous infection Previous infection then vaccinated Unvaccinated - No previous infection Does anyone care about nuance anymore? Just saying vaccinated and unvaccinated is…
Can't be emphasized enough. Even if simplified down to three groups:
1) immunologically naive (never been exposed to SARS-CoV-2)
2) vaccinated
3) recovered from previous infection
Most discussions on HN completely miss the distinction between these groups. The truth is, so far scientific consensus indicates that groups 2 & 3 are at least equally well protected and pose equivalent risk to others.
Much of the bickering here conflates groups 1 & 3 - it's such a common mistake I've grown tired of trying to discuss it.
Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die
#7Hoping someone on HN knows the answer to this. Can someone explain what "5X more likely to catch Delta" means?
I'm vaccinated. If I'm around someone with a delta infection, do I have 5X the amount of time to get away? Can I receive 5X the amount of viral particles with the same infection risk? Is my immune system response 5X as effective at preventing an infection?
I'm assuming its a population level analysis and not at all attenuated to individual immune response performance (unlike the death multiple which I think you can draw individual conclusions from). But I'm wondering what function (if at all) the MRNA vaccines play in reducing COVID infection.
Basically, if I engage in risky behaviors (no mask wearing, hanging around in big crowds) am I 5X less likely to pass the virus onto my son?
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#8I’ll die from covid or from the weather sleeping outside before I recognize a dictator. That was unacceptable.
I got vaccinated and I still won’t comply. If I have to get fired for refusing to prove to my employer that I’m vaccinated, so be it. Even more so because I’m a remote employee; what business is it of theirs?
Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die
#9I find this unpersuasive. I don't want to hear anything from the CDC. I don't trust the CDC because (among other reasons) they recently silently redefined "vaccine" to not include the idea that it provides immunity. https://web.archive.org/web/20210826113846/https://www.cdc.g... https://web.archive.org/web/20210902194040/https://www.cdc.g... Vitamin D might qualify as a vaccine under the new definition, or some other…
Upvoters, colorless green ideas sleep furiously.
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Re: Unvaccinated are 5X more likely to catch Delta, 11X more likely to die
#10Why is everything so black and white in studies, hospital reporting and government policies? There are 5 groups of people. There's really more if you want to get detailed but here are the basics. Vaccinated Vaccinated then infection Unvaccinated - Previous infection Previous infection then vaccinated Unvaccinated - No previous infection Does anyone care about nuance anymore? Just saying vaccinated and unvaccinated is…
Can't be emphasized enough. Even if simplified down to three groups: 1) immunologically naive (never been exposed to SARS-CoV-2) 2) vaccinated 3) recovered from previous infection Most discussions on HN completely miss the distinction between these groups. The truth is, so far scientific consensus indicates that groups 2 & 3 are at least equally well protected and pose equivalent risk to others. Much of the bickering…
> The truth is, so far scientific consensus indicates that groups 2 & 3 are at least equally well protected and pose equivalent risk to others.
Which reduces the set to two: immunologically naïve, and primed for an immune response.
Or as we like to call it, unvaccinated and vaccinated.
Edit: vaccination via live virus is absurdly foolish.